warping a tip for newbies

novation1 · Post by **novation1** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:02 am

You certainly don't get more House than the musical genius of Larry Heard.
He is quite an inspiration,still doing it after all these years..

He is quite simply a true legend

"Can u Feel It" - Fingers INC -arguably the finest House Record ever made...

Shame i live way down south, Liverpool is a bit of a trek!!

Enjoy the music..

supster · Post by **supster** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:12 am

trash wrote: as i said there is no such thing as progressive house...

i love this guy ...

[troll]: your music sucks! i know better than you! for i am more intelligent and insightful, and i am here to proclaim it!

[normal individual]: what the fuck are you on about ..

[troll]: see? more proof that you are an ignorant savage musically, and i am more superior that you all! bow down! i shall OwnOrrzzz U!!

[normal individual]; look man, i still dont see your ...

[troll]: aha!! see?? you obviously are incapable of understanding why your music, and therefore you ... are inferior!! more proof!! i rule!!

love it, love it, keep it up ..
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supster · Post by **supster** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:07 am

SethAbare wrote: ... I am sure you are probably a pretty nice guy in real life, but you really come across as supersillious, and arrogant. Try to have real disscussions and defend your opinion in ways that aren't just aimed at getting the other person to act more stupid than you.

i usually stay out of threads like this if i can possibly help it - but in this case i cant resist:

man, if this isnt the clearest case of pure psychological projection i have seen in an awfully long time .. pot/kettle/black. re-read some of what you've written in this thread, take a good hard look in the mirror

i dont expect you to come back and publicly admit this. in fact i dont even expect you to see it. but this guy mood is obviously very into what he's doing and does what he loves.

he doesnt need someone like you to come one with 6 paragraph essays about how typical he is, and how far youve "outgrown" what he does in your evolution to a higher plane of musical reality ..

cheezus ...

re: "progressive house":

progressive is always originally used as a genre label to describe a reaction against dominant trends in a particular style of music. hence "progressive" was used to describe what genesis and king krimson and yes etc etc did in reaction to the simplistic hard rock of the 70's

they "progressed" it by adding new elements and (at least attempting) to be more creative vs the rock at the time.

this is what progressive originally meant in terms of house ... it was a blending of house with the trance idioms of the time - made it a bit darker and more repetitous - more dubby, more minimal, less epic - but the term was mainly applied to any form of 4x4 dance music that attempted to trancend the cliches.

in both case the term became bastardized by the press and general public, and in both cases copycat artists came out of the woodworks, the record labels saw a new "trend" and started signing artists based on how well they conformed to this "new sound" ...

.. a sound that originally (by definition) was meant to blow open the cliches of the former sound and create something new. but in the end it became a narrowly defined style that just became another cliche .. and eventually progressive (or "prog) house became track after track of monotonous dubby tribal sounding things that were the antithesis of what it was originally supposed to be all about.

however:

the entire time people were complaining about this .. there have been literally hundreds - if not thousands - of quality, creative 4x4 dance records released that dont really fit into those cliches or any others for that matter.

they are musically interesting. they are unique. they display a lot of skill and passion and they are (dare I say it) progressive because thats what they are doing. or at least aiming at.

anyway: identifying with / reacting against / insulting genres of music is apparently what people like to do. say the word "progressive" and it triggers off all of these associations for people that they like to sneer at, defend, or come onto internet forums and pontificate about. theres no way around it ...

btw: i listened to a few of your tracks on your site. theyre pretty cool . i especially liked the "japanese hitman" track

but you know what? its 4x4 based, chill house music that doesnt fit into any particular category.

its instrumental, dubby, tends toward the repetitious as opposed to structured, doesnt have a lot of movement, and sets a mood ... without particularly trying to go anywhere in particular. also, im guessing it falls somewhere between 125 and 130 bpm. exactly the tempo of ...

... well, i would file it under progressive house. in the exact sense of what you're coming on here and trashing this guy for.

does that offend you?

it totally falls in line with the projection thing. the irony is way too sweet ...
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trash · Post by **trash** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:57 pm

your definition of progression is something that no one else can hear
but people who neck shitloads of pills every weekend and convince themselves over and over that this luddite music is worth continuing...

and yeah im sorry i am blatantly winding you up on purpose for a larf...
i just hate house music and i think people that make it are dumb...
mainly because it died for me many years ago... to be honest..
i didnt even say i made music did i ?
im not superior..
im actually a dustman...

trash · Post by **trash** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:03 pm

edit : oh shit i did say - bollocks..
ahh well errr... ermmm ....
shit... you got me...

trash · Post by **trash** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:04 pm

supster wrote:
trash wrote: as i said there is no such thing as progressive house...
i love this guy ...
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i love you too honey...
want sex ?

SethAbare · Post by **SethAbare** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:49 pm

supster wrote:
SethAbare wrote: he doesnt need someone like you to come one with 6 paragraph essays about how typical he is, and how far youve "outgrown" what he does in your evolution to a higher plane of musical reality .. cheezus ...
I was weak, I saw an oppertunity to stir up someone who was passionate, but not overly well written (not that I am either). Perhaps an equal to have a discussion with. I love talking about music, and hear other people's opinions. In the end its all a vehical for discussion. I guess made a mistake because I felt he had the ability to discuss something he was "passionate" about. Instead I get three or four people plodding back and forth about how much I suck, or progressive sucks, or whatever sucks; my bad ,

About his music; he offered a mix, I offered a realistic opinion based on my experience in clubs, and as a DJ, if you don't like critique you shouldn't share your art, because someone is going to have something to say you don't like. I really didn't think the mix was brilliant, or well thought out, and not aimed at the punters as much as other DJs who already had his music vocabulary. I would call it "difficult for John Smith to enjoy".

re: "progressive house":

progressive is always originally used as a genre label to describe a reaction against dominant trends in a particular style of music. hence "progressive" was used to describe what genesis and king krimson and yes etc etc did in reaction to the simplistic hard rock of the 70's

they "progressed" it by adding new elements and (at least attempting) to be more creative vs the rock at the time.
You paraphrased what I said in my original post, I agree with this 100%, however progressive rock probably is best know from artists like Pink Floyd, not Genesis, which can be found in your 80s soft rock section.

but the term was mainly applied to any form of 4x4 dance music that attempted to trancend the cliches.

in both case the term became bastardized by the press and general public, and in both cases copycat artists came out of the woodworks, the record labels saw a new "trend" and started signing artists based on how well they conformed to this "new sound" ...

100% truth, probably 10X better than I could have said it, I think we are on the same wavelength on this topic.

anyway: identifying with / reacting against / insulting genres of music is apparently what people like to do. say the word "progressive" and it triggers off all of these associations for people that they like to sneer at, defend, or come onto internet forums and pontificate about. theres no way around it ...
Which is exactly why I don't like the label progressive, or any other label. However that's how the human brain works; categorize things so that we can identify threat more easily.

btw: i listened to a few of your tracks on your site. theyre pretty cool . i especially liked the "japanese hitman" track

Appreciated.

but you know what? its 4x4 based, chill house music that doesnt fit into any particular category.

its instrumental, dubby, tends toward the repetitious as opposed to structured, doesnt have a lot of movement, and sets a mood ... without particularly trying to go anywhere in particular. also, im guessing it falls somewhere between 125 and 130 bpm. exactly the tempo of ...

Yes I suppose I make some house, what can I say I am in love with the early 90's, especially detroit, but as has been previously quoted I dislike labling my own music, but I also know it is unrealistic for people conform to my way of thinking, so it doen't offend me if you label my music. I am still finding my way in music I agree that it's not the best, but I am still learning my craft, I really do appreciate your honest feedback, I also think you misread my intention, I am not a snob, I am just looking for an intelligent discussion with people who don't want to just sling insults.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:03 pm

trash wrote:there isn't such a thing as progressive house.

Liberal house?

Radical left wing house?

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:05 pm

Cereal though, I always thought of progressive house as slowed down trance.

mood · Post by **mood** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:16 pm

SethAbare wrote:
supster wrote:
SethAbare wrote: I am not a snob, I am just looking for an intelligent discussion with people who don't want to just sling insults.

I'm not been funny but has any1 noticed Derek from big brother hiding a laptop??!

novation1 · Post by **novation1** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:16 pm

I remember reading a quote by a well known London DJ in a magazine
many moons ago and he said -

"A House is where you live and a Garage is where you park your car"...

liveISlife · Post by **liveISlife** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:00 am

bump for lolz

SimonPHC · Post by **SimonPHC** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:33 am

back in the days, when Progressive was the new IDM...

brightonalex · Post by **brightonalex** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:55 am

nuperspective wrote:so you dont think music has advanced over the last 50,000 years?

interesting. clearly a guy that knows his onions. strange. someone on a complete downer over electronic music. on a forum for an electronic composition tool. i thought you would be a home with a copy of the times and a bottle of pimms. knocking out a tune on piano, writing out sheet music long hand. pontificating over how bloody computers have ruined the creative process.

Thats funny, I feel at home with a copy of the times and a bottle of pimms, knocking out a tune on the piano. Is there a forum for that?

siliconarc · Post by **siliconarc** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:05 am

trash wrote:hundreds of rhythmically challenged songs a week
that all go [duh duh duh duh]
like when the original cavemen came back from their hunting
and celebrated by banging some sticks on a rock...

is that you, gran?