anybody own all or any sonnox plugs?

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:31 am

trash wrote:so if it was a choice between food and rent and plugins
you would go with the plugs or whatever software ?

I just wouldn't buy the plugs. I don't have a big, fat collection of software.

If you are very serious about your music, you shouldn't be using cracks. They are unreliable, come with no tech support, and will get outdated.

It is also terrible Karma... I also prefer to own my stuff.

If I don't have the money for it. I go without.

So what?

trash · Post by **trash** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:45 am

furry muff mate.
ive done so many bad things in my life that downloading every single plugin and piece of software known to man is hardly going to touch the sides...
i have however paid for one piece of software, no two...
bidule - now that kicks some ass.
and logic - which doesnt kick any ass at all
in fact it sucks ass....

trash · Post by **trash** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:52 am

j2j wrote: If you are very serious about your music, you shouldn't be using cracks. They are unreliable, come with no tech support, and will get outdated.

It is also terrible Karma... I also prefer to own my stuff.

If I don't have the money for it. I go without.

So what?

property is theft me old mucka...
im VERY serious about my music - who are you tell me i shouldnt be using cracks ?
btw - your music is a bit gay...
you need more plugins...

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:16 am

I have them at the moment bacause I have to for a video series I'm making and they are clearly good but from a usability standpoint I actually prefer Waves - and then sometimes I'm actually just happier to use the Ableton EQ and compressor - I think they stepped up with Live 7 and manage to compete well but are easier to use - depends what you're doing though, EQ8 is not so great for really tight low or hi pass filters because you have the gain boost with the narrower Q - with both Waves and sonnox you don't have that

I just find the Sonnox plugs a little irritating to work with -- it's a completely subjective thing though and probably I'm just being too stuck in my ways, it really depends what you want from them, but I haven't been really enjoying using them that much

I don't like the fact that each EQ is limited to a specific range- - I know it's meant to be more like a console but IMO one of the advantages of software is you don't have to be limited by real world limitations like that, often I find I want to change something that is not in the range I have available so I have to go back and change other settings that I got right already then do it - I can't see any reason for that, it's just irritating

with Waves EQs and EQ8 any EQ can be set to any frequency (except the lo and hi pass obviously)

I just get the feeling with SOnnox they have stuck to tightly to trying to emulate the actual hardware rather than adding things the hardware can't do

I really like the Waves Renaissance stuff

2c

trash · Post by **trash** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:17 am

waves is israeli propaganda...
BOYCOTT WAVES ISRAELI BULLSHIT

macmurphy · Post by **macmurphy** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:38 am

trash - i'm not a fan of Israeli political policy myself,
but how in the name of fuck can plugins be propaganda?

trash · Post by **trash** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:59 pm

i was just kidding man!!!
can a man not have a little laugh at the expensive of a race that has been persecuted for thousands of years for chrissake!!! oh. :-/

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:15 pm

forge wrote: I just get the feeling with SOnnox they have stuck to tightly to trying to emulate the actual hardware rather than adding things the hardware can't do

I really like the Waves Renaissance stuff

2c

i think thats due to the code being directly lifted out of their consoles

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:10 pm

sweetjesus wrote:
forge wrote: I just get the feeling with SOnnox they have stuck to tightly to trying to emulate the actual hardware rather than adding things the hardware can't do

I really like the Waves Renaissance stuff

2c

i think thats due to the code being directly lifted out of their consoles

Ding!

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:57 am

timothyallan wrote:
sweetjesus wrote:
forge wrote: I just get the feeling with SOnnox they have stuck to tightly to trying to emulate the actual hardware rather than adding things the hardware can't do

I really like the Waves Renaissance stuff

2c

i think thats due to the code being directly lifted out of their consoles
Ding!

well whatever it is, it affects how you use it and in software limitations like that stick out I guess

but as I said it's a subjective thing - matter of taste, that is just one thing I found frustrating

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:42 am

Hi Forge,

I'd like to hear a little more about the limitation you are experiencing. Not that I am dismissing anything you say, just the opposite actually.

For example, what would you like to be able to do with the eq, dynamics, reverb, and limiter, that you feel you can not do?

How do you feel limited? What other software fx, besides waves, do you feel do not have these limits?

Thanks Mate

trash · Post by **trash** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:48 am

he feels limited because he is unable to have an original creative thought...

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:50 am

With the EQ, each band has a limited range that it can work with. I believe this is because the original Sony console has code specialized to handle each frequency range. This code has been ported directly over to the software version.

So say you want to do 4 cuts all in the 100-500 range; you wouldn't be able to without using 2 instances of the EQ, as there are only 2 bands that cover those areas.

I've only ever had this happen twice in the past 6 months, and both times it was me EQ'ing the piss out of a bass track

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:56 am

j2j wrote:Hi Forge,

I'd like to hear a little more about the limitation you are experiencing. Not that I am dismissing anything you say, just the opposite actually.

For example, what would you like to be able to do with the eq, dynamics, reverb, and limiter, that you feel you can not do?

How do you feel limited? What other software fx, besides waves, do you feel do not have these limits?

Thanks Mate

the one specific limitation I was referring to was on the EQ - each parametric EQ is limited to a certain band

you know how on the Ableton EQ8 anyone of the 8 EQs can be set to any frequency - on the Sonnox EQ they are split into Lo, Lo-mid, mid...etc

like it is on a real console

I wouldn't mind on a real console where I could physically turn the dial, but using a mouse I did find it irritating - it just sometimes means back tracking (or using another EQ of course, which is no big deal really, but seems a little pointless - software should go beyond physical limitations IMO)

but I really must stress it is a personal preference thing - I don't want to rubbish them as they are obviously very good, I would just recommend trying them before you buy as they aren't cheap and workflow can be every bit as important

as for others, as I own the Waves I can't give you much adivce there as I've kind of stuck with them

but as EQ and Compression goes I think Ableton has really stepped up a notch there and often I don't even bother loading up Waves as I really do like them - the compressor more so, the gain increase with the Q increase on EQ8 can be annoying if you just want a straight surgical lopass or hi pass, but on other things the EQ8 is often more than adequate - agin it depends what you're doing

I dont like waves as a company, but I do like their plug-ins, and they provide outstanding manuals too which really are educational

all of this stuff is highly subjective so the number one point is - try it for yourself!

trash · Post by **trash** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:14 am

waves are scum israeli and must be boycotted or cracked...