WE WANT LINUX SUPPORT!!!!

[SubFunk]

OSX is based on unix and i personally think this is the best OS out there for audio tasks at the moment.

THERE YA GO FOLKS! Straight from the SOURCE.
This should be referred to every time a windows vs osx debate comes up.

I don't flame very often, so once in a while is ok...

Go fuck yourself you ignorant cunt.

but i guess there will always be people trying to turn shit into gold.

[nebulae]

but i guess there will always be people trying to turn shit into gold.

have you seen 2girls1cup.com? that shit IS gold.

[Martyn]

but i guess there will always be people trying to turn shit into gold.

Meaning what exactly?

[nebulae]

ok fellas, let's all uncock our guns and back away slowly...it's not bad enough that we have a weekly mac vs. pc holy war, but now we have a three-way gunfight almost as epic as The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, or some Tarrantino movie...

Let's just say that people should use the OS they are most comfortable with, because at the end of the day, the OS should feel like it's not even there. for me, this is XP...not vista, not osx, not linux, but that MY OPINION. For each of us, it's different.

As for Ableton, they have a right to maximize their profits as they see fit, and where that profit margin intersects most with users is where we will see development. Once that intersection is found, the highest obligation is to those customers who can most benefit at that point. All others are ultimately secondary, as dictated by market forces.

[ollyb303]

ok fellas, let's all uncock our guns and back away slowly...it's not bad enough that we have a weekly mac vs. pc holy war, but now we have a three-way gunfight almost as epic as The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, or some Tarrantino movie...

Let's just say that people should use the OS they are most comfortable with, because at the end of the day, the OS should feel like it's not even there. for me, this is XP...not vista, not osx, not linux, but that MY OPINION. For each of us, it's different.

As for Ableton, they have a right to maximize their profits as they see fit, and where that profit margin intersects most with users is where we will see development. Once that intersection is found, the highest obligation is to those customers who can most benefit at that point. All others are ultimately secondary, as dictated by market forces.

Right on neb

I'm with you all the way here.

/puts away HK mp5 loaded with jobs-seeking FMJs

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again that I would like to mention Energy XT ..I believe this app works for linux Native.

and I think theirs a patch for vst's to work in linux, if not through wine.?

[nebulae]

again that I would like to mention Energy XT ..I believe this app works for linux Native.

and I think theirs a patch for vst's to work in linux, if not through wine.?

yeah, I really wanna check this out - I wish it had way more resources to show how to use it well - it seems that there's a lot under the hood, but not a lot of explanation...

[abort]

I wonder if renoise works in wine ..I'll have to try it some time...

[nebulae]

my biggest issue with Linux was the inability to have ASIO drivers. Video drivers for my 2-year-old Nvidia graphic card didn't work. My wireless USB network card only worked at 802.11a speeds. It just made it feel half-assed.

to some of the gurus, what's your favorite disto?

[SubFunk]

ok fellas, let's all uncock our guns and back away slowly...it's not bad enough that we have a weekly mac vs. pc holy war, but now we have a three-way gunfight almost as epic as The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, or some Tarrantino movie...

Let's just say that people should use the OS they are most comfortable with, because at the end of the day, the OS should feel like it's not even there. for me, this is XP...not vista, not osx, not linux, but that MY OPINION. For each of us, it's different.

As for Ableton, they have a right to maximize their profits as they see fit, and where that profit margin intersects most with users is where we will see development. Once that intersection is found, the highest obligation is to those customers who can most benefit at that point. All others are ultimately secondary, as dictated by market forces.

peace... no point to argue, really.

just being a human, and the reason why i press sometimes for a "dictatorship" regarding the support for a certain OS above another is that, i moved a few month ago back to my hometown berlin and getting for the time being into something related to my original job, which is being a soundengineer...

for time being i work for a technical event supply company which does sometimes productions but is highly specialised and one of the worlds top leading know how companies in the domain of wireless systems, special sound applications, communication solutions for events, intercom and the like. we ship and sell our knowledge and equipment on a daily basis all over the world.

VW, Mercedes, Siemens makes an event or Madonna, Pink Floyd, The Roots, having a concert, you bloody name it they will have/use some technology provided by us.

therefore we are very close to a lot of professional companies producing certain technologies (equipment to be precise)... used in situations where there is no excuse.. for not working 100%

none, whatsoever... or can you imagine a Madonna concert in a stadium 80.000 people plus paying a shitload of money and suddenly no sound, e.g. ???

to get back to the initial point... most of the software based systems, in our days nearly all of them involved are based on unix, OSX and linux, only some shit everyone hates in this business is supporting XP, none vista... not on this level... and there IS a CLEAR reason for it.

MIDAS e.g. (in case it does say something to you) has set on linux to develope there new consoles the XL8 and Pro6 and the editors will be on OSX...

this says everything!!!

but hey i do understand that i talk and come from a different level, please don't mistake that as arrogance... it's just the way it is... therefore i have a different opinion...

and what dom said is TRUE that is why most (and it's a pain in the ass that not all!!!) serious professional companies who have to deliver reliability under any circumstances use unix, osx, linux based software.

end.

and sorry, just being human and had the need to explain why i am in faver to vanish Windows from the world of professional audio / audio related applications.

any REAL idea how much a restart costs in this business?... and that is very unfortunately not a joke!

[abort]

nebulae

Their is a hot fix for this 802.11a wireless issue for ubuntu wishing I remembered what it was ....oh yes unwrapping a windows driver to extract a .dll from an .exe. its been too long since I've booted up my linux.

Linux has real time audio ....through jack BUT! You must patch your kernel for real time events and you must allow special permission for real time to take place.

The best distro out there that I know of would be ubuntu studio because the distro already supports real time audio the only thing you must do is reconfigure your audio interface through a fairly easy ./configure in script

[six_o_clock_crow]

I wonder if renoise works in wine ..I'll have to try it some time...

There is in fact a Linux version of Renoise

But following on from my last post about the other major music packages, I wouldn't consider Renoise, Energy XT, or Reaper 'major' DAW's compared to Live, Cubase, Logic etc... although in Reaper's case I think there should be a 'yet' tagged onto the end of that sentence.

Maybe thats their biggest strength - they are created by smaller teams, and used by fewer people, so the developers can indulge in porting to Linux should they wish to.

I am not belittling those programmes, I just think that Ableton - because of their user base - have to have different concerns to the developers of those other programmes.

[nebulae]

But following on from my last post about the other major music packages, I wouldn't consider Renoise, Energy XT, or Reaper 'major' DAW's compared to Live, Cubase, Logic etc... although in Reaper's case I think there should be a 'yet' tagged onto the end of that sentence.

Maybe thats their biggest strength - they are created by smaller teams, and used by fewer people, so the developers can indulge in porting to Linux should they wish to.

I've used a lot of DAWs over the years, and I think Reaper is there...no need for "Yet". If we had to use "Yet", it would be for all the features that get added on a daily or weekly basis.

As for why these other apps can be ported easily, I'd say it's because the apps are small enough to not have code bloat. Both Energy XT and Reaper are under 4mb to install...until recently, you could run reaper off a fucking floppy. That's code that one person CAN manage and port into multiple platforms.

Compare that to Live, which at v4 was like 30mb, and now is well over 100mb for the installer...the last version of Sonar was 1.2gb, etc etc

[abort]

I wonder if renoise works in wine ..I'll have to try it some time...

There is in fact a Linux version of Renoise

But following on from my last post about the other major music packages, I wouldn't consider Renoise, Energy XT, or Reaper 'major' DAW's compared to Live, Cubase, Logic etc... although in Reaper's case I think there should be a 'yet' tagged onto the end of that sentence.

Maybe thats their biggest strength - they are created by smaller teams, and used by fewer people, so the developers can indulge in porting to Linux should they wish to.

I am not belittling those programmes, I just think that Ableton - because of their user base - have to have different concerns to the developers of those other programmes.

Cool!!! ..and I agree to most of your later points.

[Tone Deft]

now we have a three-way gunfight almost as epic as The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, or some Tarrantino movie...

"I'm looking for a man, he uses Linux, smokes little black cigars and smells like a pig."


hil-fucking-larious replies on page 1. I ignored this thread for obvious reasons, missed the phun.