I need to clearly see what clips are playing!

LivePsy · Post by **LivePsy** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:34 am

I've got the clips, I know how I want them to play together and I want to do a live set triggering the clips, err, live. But I need to clearly see which clips are playing and not squint looking at a MacBook screen. Whether I trigger with keys or pads, I want visual feedback to tell me which ones are playing.

What can I do?

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laurence · Post by **laurence** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:40 am

Buy a http://monome.org/

pepezabala · Post by **pepezabala** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:42 am

you can zoom into the clip-section, there is a screen-zoom feature in OSX.

you can get a monome or a different controller that has visual feedback (faderfox, padkontrol ... ).

or: you can use your ears. Your audience has to, so why don't you?

LivePsy · Post by **LivePsy** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:26 am

pepezabala wrote:you can use your ears. Your audience has to, so why don't you?

Because when I trigger something for the next bar, my audience will hear it is the wrong clip around the same time I realise it is the wrong clip...

I don't want to memorize which button triggers which clip, I want to see what clip it is. I want to know it is playing or not and I want more than a light on or off to tell me.

Honestly, my MPC is looking pretty good at this point. Render the loops in Live then see what's muted or not on the MPC.

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ollyb303 · Post by **ollyb303** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:32 am

LivePsy wrote:
pepezabala wrote:you can use your ears. Your audience has to, so why don't you?
Because when I trigger something for the next bar, my audience will hear it is the wrong clip around the same time I realise it is the wrong clip...

I don't want to memorize which button triggers which clip, I want to see what clip it is. I want to know it is playing or not and I want more than a light on or off to tell me.

Honestly, my MPC is looking pretty good at this point. Render the loops in Live then see what's muted or not on the MPC.

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Is there an MPC with backlit pads now?

LivePsy · Post by **LivePsy** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:37 am

It has an LCD screen which gives you names. Dude, there was music before Live

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ollyb303 · Post by **ollyb303** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:40 am

LivePsy wrote:It has an LCD screen which gives you names. Dude, there was music before Live

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LOL. I know. I had an MPC2000 like 10 years ago. Then an MPC2000XL.

I just wondered how the lcd screen on an MPC was better than the one on your MacBook?

logic_user99 · Post by **logic_user99** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:57 am

Is this going to be another 'Live vs. MPC' thread?

@LivePsy - why don't you just learn your music, man? You don't see bands using pages of tabs/scores when playing live; they learn their songs!

Have you thought about carefully colour-coding/labling your clips so that, even if you trigger a 'wrong' one, it'll still play in some kind of relative key/time/phrasing. I know that Moldover does some clever (it's actually really simple!) stuff with colours & lables. That way, he can just start a loop/track going, and then any coloured clip that is relative to the currently playing track can be played and it'll sound sexy.

Just a thought...

You could always go and spend loads of money on a Lemur or Monome, spend ages learning how to use it instead of working on your tracks, and come out with no better results than if you were just looking at the screen of your lappy.

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:21 pm

If it existed you could use this:

LivePsy · Post by **LivePsy** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:02 pm

OK, firstly I don't think any controller device external to Live can be much help. Whether the pads/buttons light up or not, its no guarantee that a clip is playing. Only Live's session view is to be believed. Conclusion: I get glasses, or zoom in on the session area. Colours is a great idea too.

Secondly, wanting to see the clips visually is not unmanly or poor musicianship. Playing clips live is not so much a musician's role as a mixer's role. Having no clear display of what is happening is like having a 48 track mixer and telling the engineer he's a wuss for wanting to look at the faders and meters. If you wanna do a Stevie Wonder with Live then be my guest, but wouldn't it be sensible to know what clips are playing and whats coming up next? Conclusion: session view is vital feedback when launching clips live.

Thirdly, the beauty of comparing Live and MPC is that the MPC does so much with so little. Live drowns itself (or you) in features and yet there's always something you'd prefer it did a different way. If there was one new feature I'd like, it would be a new screen in which you arranged graphic objects freely and each one indicated the status of a clip.

@ollyb303: Every aspiring laptop musician should be forced to use something horrible like an MC-500 so that when they use Live they know how great it really is. It just ticks me off when someone obviously only knows Live and criticises everything else. But that's the curse of being over 30 with this new innernet

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:34 pm

I don't know how you work or where (clubs, studio...) but IMO stuff like this is nothing but practice, getting used to using your tools. Live can't do everything for you, sometimes the onerous is on the user to step it up, rather than Live, no new gear necessary.

logic_user99 · Post by **logic_user99** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:39 pm

Tone Deft wrote:I don't know how you work or where (clubs, studio...) but IMO stuff like this is nothing but practice, getting used to using your tools. Live can't do everything for you, sometimes the onerous is on the user to step it up, rather than Live, no new gear necessary.

+1 *high five*

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:01 pm

LivePsy wrote: Thirdly, the beauty of comparing Live and MPC is that the MPC does so much with so little. Live drowns itself (or you) in features and yet there's always something you'd prefer it did a different way. If there was one new feature I'd like, it would be a new screen in which you arranged graphic objects freely and each one indicated the status of a clip.

+1000000

this is exactly the sort of direction i wish Ableton would go in for 8, much more emphasis on Live performance features.

sdmiddleton · Post by **sdmiddleton** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:53 pm

LivePsy wrote:If you wanna do a Stevie Wonder with Live then be my guest, but wouldn't it be sensible to know what clips are playing and whats coming up next?

Don't drag poor old stevie wonder into this!

Geebag · Post by **Geebag** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:57 pm

A halo on the button as well as the play sign could help as well as a zoom function for that window?