What's wrong with this picture? Justice Live

kabuki · Post by **kabuki** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:06 pm

Would have saved them a bunch of embarrasment:

http://www.turntablelab.com/dj_equipment/0/0/58523.html

funky shit · Post by **funky shit** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:14 pm

I dnt personaly hate justice.. I hate their music.. This photo had me put on my lolerskates today. A lot of people are defending them sayin it must have just poped out.. Do you really believe that?

Enrique · Post by **Enrique** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:23 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGJBX8_lK_k

If I was a boxer, I would watch this before every single fight...

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:35 pm

funky shit wrote:I dnt personaly hate justice.. I hate their music.. This photo had me put on my lolerskates today. A lot of people are defending them sayin it must have just poped out.. Do you really believe that?

I'm not saying it's a fact, just saying it is a possibility.

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:36 pm

funky shit wrote:I dnt personaly hate justice.. I hate their music.. This photo had me put on my lolerskates today. A lot of people are defending them sayin it must have just poped out.. Do you really believe that?

Not really. I mean, what is the first thing one would do on stage if suddenly all LEDs of a controller turn off, and it does not do anything anymore? Checking the connections ! But, maybe they had a computer crash, and lost their whole set, and then they had to play a CD or pre-recorded live set. All kinds of shit can happen, and a photo only tells half the story....

R.

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:39 pm

Enrique wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGJBX8_lK_k

If I was a boxer, I would watch this before every single fight...

See, I want to see The Killers or some band walk out on stage, NO instruments in hand, and just do exactly that with a CD of their music playing. Jump around going "Look how AWESOME we are!" There's lip syncing and faking it, and then there is that.

I hate that.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:40 pm

Enrique wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGJBX8_lK_k

If I was a boxer, I would watch this before every single fight...

Hahaha, two of the videos posted here for lame performance are psytrance artists! I can't believe people are still making those ridiculous buildups and calling it psychedelic. If you have to have jump around and freak out to get people excited about your music, you're doing something wrong.

vinkalmann · Post by **vinkalmann** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:46 pm

Having spent my last show trying to get Live to recognize my Remote Zero SL after losing contact I ask, is there some trick to get Live to reconnect to the controller after losing signal? Or is restarting Live the only option?

Enrique · Post by **Enrique** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:55 pm

vinkalmann wrote:Having spent my last show trying to get Live to recognize my Remote Zero SL after losing contact I ask, is there some trick to get Live to reconnect to the controller after losing signal? Or is restarting Live the only option?

Restarting is the only way, as far as I know. Macs don't have this problem. One of the many reasons why a Macbook (Pro) is the best option for live performance...

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:01 pm

ethios4 wrote:
Enrique wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGJBX8_lK_k

If I was a boxer, I would watch this before every single fight...
Hahaha, two of the videos posted here for lame performance are psytrance artists! I can't believe people are still making those ridiculous buildups and calling it psychedelic. If you have to have jump around and freak out to get people excited about your music, you're doing something wrong.

It looks stupid, but, you can't simply shun enthusiasm.

Say you're one of these DJ dudes. In your set you're going to play 10 songs, including a few of your own compositions. Maybe you're playing all of your own songs, but, you are there to DJ. There's a big crowd assembled who have come to the event to dance and party.

Hardcore Ableton nerds like ourselves tend to think that you need to be knee deep in creating music at all times, especially on stage. But let's not forget that these DJ people are there to play music, not necessarily create it on the fly. One of the mistakes that hardcore Ableton nerds tend to make is that you need to be hands on constantly, glitching as much as possible, with two hands on the effects at all times - like how a bus driver keeps their hands on the steering wheel.

This may be what you want, but what the specific crowd you're in front of wants may be something else entirely. I can understand why a DJ like this would get on stage, press play, and want to play out the first few minutes of a tune before they get busy mixing in the next song. Ableton users tend to think it's bad to play one song for five minutes without turning it inside out with effects and tricks. Playing songs is the DJ's job. If you're in a good mood and having a blast and you feel like jumping around on the stage, I say go for it.

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:33 pm

I commented on Justice's MySpace with that picture and the text: "Your machine is not plugged in, what's up with that?"

Will be interesting to see if my comment gets approved...

Me... I played a 1200 people gig in London once and all my gear had crapped out so I stood there pretending while a DAT was playing.... sucked! I felt so bad about it I gave the promoter a discount, he didn't really care (but did accept my offer) and everybody loved my set got really high did a lot of dancing and had a great time. I bought some nice new clothes later that week.

last man on earth · Post by **last man on earth** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:09 pm

Personally, I respect them, and I do dig some of their music - it's not for everyone, but whose music is?

Anyway, my respect will stay with them after the "Stress" video - doing something like that to show people that D.A.N.C.E. isn't everything to them is something I can understand, and if you haven't seen it, get ready for a tribute to Kubrick:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x58z2a ... ideo_music

There's a shot down near the end of the video where the kids wearing justice jackets steal a car, and D.A.N.C.E. is playing on the radio - the kid in the passenger seat promptly kicks the shit out of the radio, stomping the dashboard in the middle of the song.

These guys know how they are perceived, and they know there are haters because of the nature of what brought them to popularity, and don't give a shit because they know there is something to them beyond the radio hits. For that, I respect them, even though:

A - that was a bad pic where the MPD isn't plugged in
B - They actually copped publicly to stealing samples from people who have major labels and lawyers behind them (that's going to cost them)

Good people make mistakes, and artists aren't always understood or liked...big deal.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:31 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:
ethios4 wrote:
Enrique wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGJBX8_lK_k

If I was a boxer, I would watch this before every single fight...
Hahaha, two of the videos posted here for lame performance are psytrance artists! I can't believe people are still making those ridiculous buildups and calling it psychedelic. If you have to have jump around and freak out to get people excited about your music, you're doing something wrong.
It looks stupid, but, you can't simply shun enthusiasm.

I'm all for enthusiastically flailing about and creating a visual spectacle...if...the music's good and the flailing is just the icing on the cake. But flailing about to an ultra-cliched psytrance build that isn't even an interesting one = lame to me.

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:34 pm

(small voice)

i flail musically in my spare time

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:48 pm

That justice video is hard!
Almost got my ass kicked in Paris once by a punk kid from from the bad suburbs... scary shizzle