HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT - Still no automation midi clip record!

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:50 pm

same story every release.
really.
every time.

where's my MIDI to catmilk implementation?

until ableton gets its head out of its colon and implements EVERY FEATURE I WANT i will be switching to pantaloons superiour version mobius.

good day sir.

.lm.

deva · Post by **deva** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:54 pm

dom wrote:
six_o_clock_crow wrote: This isn't about friendship or brand loyalty, I just respect the fact that - unlike many software forums - the likes of Robert and Dom actually interact with us.
... and if they tell you that they also miss automation recording in session clips A LOT and it is still not there - there has to be a reason - and this reason is not enjoying messing around with you by holding features back.

We love Live just as you do, maybe even a little more!
And besides trying to do a professional job it may be even a good thing, that a lot of abletons are still so emotional about our favourite piece of software on earth that it sometimes hurts.

decrepitude: please go through your last posting and try to state what you want to express without offensive terms.

Thanks in advance,
Dom

Hi Dom,

Can you please make Live devices work with Midi CC... In order to get around the limitation of no automation in session, I am forced to use only 3rd party instruments and effects. So I hardly use the Live stuff. I own Operator but do not use it much for this reason. If I had understood this at the time, I would not have purchased it. It factors in why I have not purchased Sampler or Studio too.

3rd party effects and instruments are better integrated in Live than Live's own effects and instruments! If Live devices could respond to midi CC this would alleviate some of the need for session automation.

thanks for your consideration.

Jekblad · Post by **Jekblad** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:56 pm

i too am sad about no midi automation in session view, but i think they did a good job of prioritizing what should be next. It will be there some day, but until then I'll find a way around it and so will others, and so will you.

I feel with mfl someone may come up with a very useable workaround which would be great.

name calling and yelling is dumb.

(edit due to an edit)

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:00 pm

deva wrote:
3rd party effects and instruments are better integrated in Live than Live's own effects and instruments!

thanks for your consideration.

+1

McQ714 · Post by **McQ714** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:03 pm

decrepitude wrote:Obviously I posted an emotional response, but your "disciples" have escalated the negative vibe with name calling and such.

I even indicated that I was generally happy (and surprise - I intend to upgrade,) but as is the usual attitude here, that fact was ignored and only the negative aspects of my post were focused on.

out of respect for the forum, i've changed my post. you are now just a whiny little girl that apparently got everything her heart desired from the time she was an infant. if you feel like re-writing the code for Ableton, by all means, DO SO!!! I'm sure you are that knowledgable about these things

otherwise STFU, there is nothing wrong with the program. it works just fine.

decrepitude wrote: You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit what you think. You might consider using your twat for getting fucked and stop trying to talk with it.

I stand by my opinion little piss ant.

and exactly what part of this post wasn't negative???

decrepitude · Post by **decrepitude** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:17 pm

Look - I think Live is fantastic. I recommend it all the time. I've probably converted at least 30+ people to Live and will continue to do so.

I've been involved with production of electronic music (and midi) for over 2 decades and - I'm sorry - it does not make any sense to me that this essential tool for expressiveness has not yet been implemented. I assure you, I'm not the only one who thinks Live has terrific potential. But because of this issue alone, many veterans of midi sequencing will avoid it.

Furthermore If I spend hundreds on software, I don't expect to be made to feel like I'm hurting someones feelings if I have a passionate opinion about my purchase.

Ableton Live is a fantastic product and passionate company, but maybe needs to have a tougher skin.

As for you McQ714, I'm sorry - I have no way to lengthen your penis. You'll have to continue overcompensating for it.

condra · Post by **condra** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:18 pm

ethios4 wrote:
Kodama wrote:I would urge people to ask the Abes to include record modulation to session for native devices!
+1

ya

McQ714 · Post by **McQ714** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:27 pm

decrepitude wrote:Look - I think Live is fantastic. I recommend it all the time. I've probably converted at least 30+ people to Live and will continue to do so.

I've been involved with production of electronic music (and midi) for over 2 decades and - I'm sorry - it does not make any sense to me that this essential tool for expressiveness has not yet been implemented. I assure you, I'm not the only one who thinks Live has terrific potential. But because of this issue alone, many veterans of midi sequencing will avoid it.

Furthermore If I spend hundreds on software, I don't expect to be made to feel like I'm hurting someones feelings if I have a passionate opinion about my purchase.

Ableton Live is a fantastic product and passionate company, but maybe needs to have a tougher skin.

maybe you can explain to me why being able to record midi automation is necessary in session view and why what you want to accomplish can't be done in arrangement? i personally wouldn't want any automatic midi value changing to occur when i'm just launching samples or mp3s. and if i'm recording something in session view with the intent of piecing together a song later. i would only want to record the signal as-is.

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:40 pm

McQ714 wrote: maybe you can explain to me why being able to record midi automation is necessary in session view and why what you want to accomplish can't be done in arrangement?

I am not linear.

Many people compose in parts (1 slice of time and 1 instrument), then put those parts together. Session was made for this.

Automation (or modulation) is part of these "parts" for many composers, and not just an afterthought to be thrown in once doing arrangement.

It's very similar to velocity and almost identical to recording the mod/pitch wheels.

How would you feel if you had to record your notes first, then arrange them, then record your velocity or mod/pitch wheel in the linear arrangement mode?

Gurulogic · Post by **Gurulogic** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:47 pm

I might not be looking at cliip automation in the same context as others but one thing clip automation would give me is the option to launch a clip that could instantly set dozens of mix parameters...

Usefull...?
...Invaluable!!!

I realize this can kind of already be done in Live...manually, ehh.
There are workarounds with third party software that are actually so simple the workarounds could be built into a simple utilty plugin.

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:49 pm

Gurulogic wrote:I might not be looking at cliip automation in the same context as others but one thing clip automation would give me is the option to launch a clip that could instantly set dozens of mix parameters...

Usefull...?
...Invaluable!!!

Hrmmm... that seems like it would take a snapshot feature to write a snapshot of all current parameters in a track to a clip.

Gurulogic · Post by **Gurulogic** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:52 pm

Kodama wrote: Hrmmm... that seems like it would take a snapshot feature to write a snapshot of all current parameters in a track to a clip.

I guess mine would be the more static accomplishment...
I might not even be refering to the same thing...?

McQ714 · Post by **McQ714** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:15 pm

forgive me for being an ignorant electronic musician. but that kind of recording is more or less destructive to the original audio recording, is it not? why not just record one clip "dry" then loop and arrange later and adjust your midi then when you're able to pay attention to what you're automating? that'd be like recording a vocal wet and then trying to ease off on the vocal compressor or whatever after the fact. just doesn't make sense to me.

crumhorn · Post by **crumhorn** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:22 pm

McQ714 wrote:forgive me for being an ignorant electronic musician. but that kind of recording is more or less destructive to the original audio recording, is it not? why not just record one clip "dry" then loop and arrange later and adjust your midi then when you're able to pay attention to what you're automating? that'd be like recording a vocal wet and then trying to ease off on the vocal compressor or whatever after the fact. just doesn't make sense to me.

It's all about *expression*. It would be a bit like recording a guitar solo without being allowed to bend the strings, and then going through it later and adding the pitch bends. Hardly what you would call spontaneous.

dom · Post by **dom** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:34 pm

decrepitude wrote:Dom,

With the utmost respect I recommend you follow your own advice and re-read my post yourself. Can you honestly say you are offended?

Hu? I guess you misunderstood what i wrote, i'm not offended at all - i would not be the right one for this job if i was offended by you posting critic thoughts or your view about what our product should be.
I was talking about the words you and McQ where shooting at each other.
McQ already removed the street language, would be nice if you could do so, too.

Cheers,
Dom