Shifting to LINUX, leaving ableton live....

rsaulo · Post by **rsaulo** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:15 pm

Moody wrote:
rsaulo wrote:
Moody wrote:Thought of this myself many times and always thought I would switch once there was some solid music apps for LNX but, I now have a good workflow in AL and I am not willing to give that up.
You are right, in this case is not related to an OS problem, your workflow is good on AL, and there is no software that fits the same workflow, in my case, the "workflow" is not tied to AL, I can do it with Renoise and MixVibes, so I really are agreed to pay for an AL version on LINUX, but abes are not going to this direction, so I´ll use another packages until another software similar to live brings up or abes port AL to linux.

So, thanks for the reply.
I have been for them bundling AL with its own LNX OS for years. I would prefer to never have to go into the OS just boot into AL and have my way with the app and that is it but, I doubt they have the time or resoures for the development. I guess I could write them a check.

Maybe we can make "donations"..........hehehehe

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:23 pm

hahaha....XP is DEATH, except for the hundreds of professionals who use it in production all the time.

xh9o · Post by **xh9o** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:36 pm

rsaulo wrote:you cannot run live stable in "production" environments IMHO, windows XP is DEATH, all new notebooks come with Windows VISTA OEM, WITHOUT XP drivers, VISTA SUCKS, so IMHO abes can deliver an linux version, but until this happens and I cannot spend many dollars I prefer change my software packages to something similar.

first. sorry i don´t need anothe hysteric linuxfan-"article". i would like linux if it would be conistent and therefore really usable. but thats the price of open source, you let in much crappy code and everyone talks for himself the most. and music making in linux is fuckin depressing.

regarding the quotet: this, microsofts desperate attitude towards spreading their vista disease, is really a big problem. as a gentle reaction i use a pirate copy of their better systems, windows 2000 or windows xp (really a stable, fast and flexible, professional system). and a not-so-new notebook that is compatible with that, and a desktop pc built up myself. nearly every component available still upports xp, and therefore those manufacturers provide good drivers.

Warminstrel · Post by **Warminstrel** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:37 pm

My Live/daw runs on a separate partition/boot that never connects the internet, no software installed apart from music apps, live and vsts (all legitimate). has all xp functions not needed switched off.

Been running with only 5/6 processes steadily for 3 years now with zero problems.

The other boot has contracted the usual viruses, plaue, ring-worm, malware, herpes and scarcoptic mange-mytes all associated with the evil xp.

I suppose to be honest the only draw back is that I have to use my other PC (The wifes in fact!) for reference when i need something musicaly related from the webber-tubes but this is a smal price to pay for seamless composing.

I'm financialy driven to this cost effective set up and was not sure how it would work when I bought my new laptop 3 years ago but would now recomemend anyone that wants perfection on a budget to give it a go.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:40 pm

I just moved from Mac to Linux and it works much more like I want it to. Dead-easy to install and setup, too, at least on this thing (Lenovo X200). Everything works and it gets me from A to B in my day job much more comfortably than OS X. The only reason I'd ever need, not to mention, want to boot into Windows is Live.

xh9o · Post by **xh9o** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:50 pm

@noisetonepause

linux evil lurks in the depth of integrating hardware. you have to update x, which makes problems with y, and both are not friends with v. as long as you stay on the surface it works fine, and feels all more quick and compact and somehow lovely than the bigger, colder systems.

mdk · Post by **mdk** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:44 pm

good luck. i also spend most of my time in linux except for running Live and other audio software.

I have got Live running under wine other stuff doesnt yet run under wine which i like using (SoundForge, CD Architect and loads of VST plugins)

still, there is plenty of good music software for linux and you also get Jack / NetJack. which is a great tool. (ok i know it runs on OSX / Win as well, but linux is its main platform)

I think my ideal situation in the near future is to run 2 machines, one linux and one windows and use a combination of NetJack and OSC to combine them together. (NetJack for audio, OSC for messaging and sync)

Dont forget energy XT 2 also runs on Linux, its pretty cheap, really fast to start (especially compared to the glacial startup time of Live) and seems to be picking up progress again.

Even if most of the eloquent respondees here arent interested in how you get on, I definitely am

xh9o · Post by **xh9o** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:54 pm

mdk wrote:arent interested in how you get on

anyone taking time for talkin here wants to help. but not everyone can see the perspective for longterm in-depth work with live running under wine or using energy xt as sequencer. though you will get something out of this, much depending on the style of music you do.

rsaulo · Post by **rsaulo** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:55 pm

mdk wrote:good luck. i also spend most of my time in linux except for running Live and other audio software.

I have got Live running under wine other stuff doesnt yet run under wine which i like using (SoundForge, CD Architect and loads of VST plugins)

still, there is plenty of good music software for linux and you also get Jack / NetJack. which is a great tool. (ok i know it runs on OSX / Win as well, but linux is its main platform)

I think my ideal situation in the near future is to run 2 machines, one linux and one windows and use a combination of NetJack and OSC to combine them together. (NetJack for audio, OSC for messaging and sync)

Dont forget energy XT 2 also runs on Linux, its pretty cheap, really fast to start (especially compared to the glacial startup time of Live) and seems to be picking up progress again.

Even if most of the eloquent respondees here arent interested in how you get on, I definitely am

mdk,

we have basically the sames issues, the diference is that I´m tired to request and see not future of LIVE with linux, maybe when ableton want to port (if will) probably we´ll have similar apps on the market, can be late for abes, the time is TODAY IMHO.

I have tried running live with wine (works but audio latency sucks), virtualbox (audio virtualization is not the way), vmware, etc

Dual boot or 2 computers is a solution too, but a little more expensive!!!

With Renoise and MixVibes and jack i think I can do what I need, 100% native on linux, with support to my devices, No Virus problems, power notebooks at cheap prices (compared to an mac), stable, etc.

rsaulo · Post by **rsaulo** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:59 pm

ethios4 wrote:hahaha....XP is DEATH, except for the hundreds of professionals who use it in production all the time.

Hundreds of professionals use windows 98 today and are not more suported by microsoft.

Hundreds of professionals use FIREWIRE devices and Apple dropped firewire at some new macs

Hundreds of professionals use hundreds of software that are not more suported because they need to pay for the "upgrade".

Can you believe that ableton will suport LIVE on windows XP when Microsoft drop the suport on the OS??? Abes will tell you to UPGRADE to VISTA or wherever fuckink shit MS have on the time to Live work. If this is the world that you like, stuck with it so...

rsaulo · Post by **rsaulo** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:01 pm

xh9o wrote: regarding the quotet: this, microsofts desperate attitude towards spreading their vista disease, is really a big problem. as a gentle reaction i use a pirate copy of their better systems, windows 2000 or windows xp (really a stable, fast and flexible, professional system). and a not-so-new notebook that is compatible with that, and a desktop pc built up myself. nearly every component available still upports xp, and therefore those manufacturers provide good drivers.

Buy an new HP notebook and try to find XP drivers and you will see what I´m talking about....

rsaulo · Post by **rsaulo** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:02 pm

Warminstrel wrote:My Live/daw runs on a separate partition/boot that never connects the internet, no software installed apart from music apps, live and vsts (all legitimate). has all xp functions not needed switched off.

Been running with only 5/6 processes steadily for 3 years now with zero problems.

The other boot has contracted the usual viruses, plaue, ring-worm, malware, herpes and scarcoptic mange-mytes all associated with the evil xp.

I suppose to be honest the only draw back is that I have to use my other PC (The wifes in fact!) for reference when i need something musicaly related from the webber-tubes but this is a smal price to pay for seamless composing.

I'm financialy driven to this cost effective set up and was not sure how it would work when I bought my new laptop 3 years ago but would now recomemend anyone that wants perfection on a budget to give it a go.

It´s a solution too, install XP, install all that you want and REMOVE THE NETWORK CARD FROM THE MACHINE.

Agreed.

rsaulo · Post by **rsaulo** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:02 pm

noisetonepause wrote:I just moved from Mac to Linux and it works much more like I want it to. Dead-easy to install and setup, too, at least on this thing (Lenovo X200). Everything works and it gets me from A to B in my day job much more comfortably than OS X. The only reason I'd ever need, not to mention, want to boot into Windows is Live.

+1

rsaulo · Post by **rsaulo** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:10 pm

xh9o wrote:
mdk wrote:arent interested in how you get on

anyone taking time for talkin here wants to help. but not everyone can see the perspective for longterm in-depth work with live running under wine or using energy xt as sequencer. though you will get something out of this, much depending on the style of music you do.

The musician, or DJ, or wherever you want to be, or think that you are is not direct related to the tool or software that you use. If you have the concepts about what you want, you will ALWAYS HAVE more than one choise to do your work, what i´m talking in this post is that FOR MY WORK I really love live, but as I cannot run it on linux, I will switch to another software that WORKS FOR ME and the final work will be done OK.

Nobody listen to an track will care about how DAW or Software or OS or Devices you have used to make the music. It´s the final work that matters, not the tool.

If I can make music with another OS/Software spending less money, OK for me, IF you NEED and MAC/LIVE and agree to pay for it go on!!!

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:32 pm

rsaulo wrote:
xh9o wrote:
mdk wrote:arent interested in how you get on

anyone taking time for talkin here wants to help. but not everyone can see the perspective for longterm in-depth work with live running under wine or using energy xt as sequencer. though you will get something out of this, much depending on the style of music you do.
The musician, or DJ, or wherever you want to be, or think that you are is not direct related to the tool or software that you use. If you have the concepts about what you want, you will ALWAYS HAVE more than one choise to do your work, what i´m talking in this post is that FOR MY WORK I really love live, but as I cannot run it on linux, I will switch to another software that WORKS FOR ME and the final work will be done OK.

Nobody listen to an track will care about how DAW or Software or OS or Devices you have used to make the music. It´s the final work that matters, not the tool.

If I can make music with another OS/Software spending less money, OK for me, IF you NEED and MAC/LIVE and agree to pay for it go on!!!

Great post. Of topic a bit, but something to remember if I do end up really broke this year. THough I love Live, nobody but me can tell the difference between a song started in Live or Logic or DP etc.