Why isTraktor becoming the standard for djing

[Da hand]

ummm...you can loop on the fly in Live in the clip view.....you can also setup multiple clips as different loop points and jump between them....live is very DJ friendly.....

talking about another kind of functionality.

Oh, sorry about that. What functionality were they talking about then?

[Da hand]

whats the point of having 8 decks and a pad controller, why not use live
i must be missing something

LIVE: no tempo nudge up/down per channel... And the need to warp makes it a complete FAIL!!!

Ok, please explain. Why would you need tempo nudge per track, if your tracks are all perfectly synced together - always? Unless, it is for some effect.

Warping takes 5-10 seconds out of your life = perfectly synced tracks. Traktor always had problems in this department, unless you start laying down a beat grid and doing things by hand - which is like warping but more fiddly.

[timwright]

^^^ that is a funny argument, those guys usually do not choose what they use, they get paid a lot.... I know that dj nookie (good looking crew) uses a system from numark... Don't know the name, but he would choose something else if he had to pay it by himself... (it's in many cases not just a NFR but a monthly sum and or tour budgets they get) some one needs to present that stuff, otherwise people would only buy serato or traktor.

And i don't say other dj apps are bad, i don't know them at all... Just saying because X or Y uses it it's good is silly.

Ok, well put it this way...Dennis Ferrer DID use VDJ, because he loved the way it works. He now uses Traktor, as he got sponsorship, but when I asked him which was better he said they were both as good as each other and that I wouldn't be missing out if I stuck with my VDJ. So yeah, you're right, he would probably still be using VDJ over Traktor if he weren't sponsored.

Oh, and ColdCut use it as it's like Serato with videos. And they incorporate a lot of videos in their sets.

Might be worth noting that both acts PURCHASED Virtual DJ. Yes, purchased it. It wasn't free and nor did they purchase serato or traktor instead, so seems like your argument is the funny one. Did I simply say X and Y use it so it's good? Or did I point out that I am a satisfied user myself, but it's nice to know that X and Y use it (you know, people who play out a lot, at bigger gigs) and it's reliable for them also.

You seem to be the one following the crowd my friend, not me, with your "everyone would use serato and traktor", so just keep on following.

[Minimal Justice System]

whats the point of having 8 decks and a pad controller, why not use live
i must be missing something

LIVE: no tempo nudge up/down per channel... And the need to warp makes it a complete FAIL!!!

Ok, please explain. Why would you need tempo nudge per track, if your tracks are all perfectly synced together - always? Unless, it is for some effect.

Warping takes 5-10 seconds out of your life = perfectly synced tracks. Traktor always had problems in this department, unless you start laying down a beat grid and doing things by hand - which is like warping but more fiddly.

I use both Live and Traktor scratch pro for mixing and they both have their +'s and -'s to be honest, Live can kill tunes due to the fact you need to warp which removes the natural fluctuation of the track. Even warped tracks can sound out in Live because of the prominence of a melody or piece of precussion that's not bang on the beat (Usually a tempo nudge on the trck would sort this).

Trakto used to have issues with it's auto warp but this is no longer the case, however it is still limited by the interface and is not as good as live for being more creative.

The two work well together and to suggest that either is a perfect solution would be just plain silly, regardless of what famous person uses what and whether they get paid to use it?

[ze2be]

Traktor Pro has no sampler?

I want samples for each track, like Deckadance and Torq. (They bouh handle VSTs.)
Or is the Torq sampler slots just loops, like in Traktor Pro?

Torq looks to have the most Ableton like GUI. Thats a big pluss to me..

But I also want 4 decks for Techno + samplers.
For Forest Psytrance im happy with 2 decks and samplers.
For Collage/Dub/Turntableism I want 4 decs + samplers.

You have to make a desition from where you would use it the most. And ATM I DJ like this:

90% In the Forest (144 - 150 bpm)
10% Collage/Dubing (no bpm limit)
0% Techno (120 - 130 bpm)


So the poll says go Torq to me, apparently.
I have started producing techno again, so the ratio can change over the cource of a year. Just a few years ago I was DJing every weekend for two years with Collage/Dubing, using Live in combination with Audio CDRs. Im getting back to it when theres a proper DJ tool available to fit my needs! I DJed vinyl techno at least every month at weekends,91 - 99. It looks like im getting back to that too next year. But maybe not as often as in the 90ties, cuz that took away the energy to create new music.

[Hidden Driveways]

But I also want 4 decks for Techno + samplers.
For Forest Psytrance im happy with 2 decks and samplers.
For Collage/Dub/Turntableism I want 4 decs + samplers.

With all the different DJing styles out there (I've never heard of "Forest" until this morning) I think it's safe to say that there is no standard anything for anyone.

ze2be, I think once you get into Torq and running VSTs and such, you may be a little more at risk of having a crash. Serato has really taken their time with development because stability is the #1 concern over everything else. But who knows, maybe taking risks likte that make DJing more exciting for some people.

One of my favorite things to do while DJing is to try to mix together music that shouldn't really be mixed together. This is why I never got into warping tracks for DJing. Most of the stuff I play is too unrobotic to bother warping. I'd be surprised if Tracktor could sync any of it very well. This is why I love vinyl timecode control and beat matching by hand.

This subject is moot. Serato is close to being a standard, but it isn't. When I go out in NYC I most often see people DJ with CDJ1000's. But who cares? I don't. I just have fun interacting with my music collection.

Moot.

[de wouzer]

If it is possible with ableton to see more than only one deck at a time... to beatjump 1;4 and 32 beats and loop, loopjump and looplenth change... then I would go for ableton. But unfortunately it's not possible yet.
But... now i use traktor for these things.

Unfortunately there is no "return effect" on traktor.

[ChiDJ]

Does anyone even know how to beatmatch anymore??? or blend??

Why don't you all just hit play on your iTunes playlist and call yourselves DJ's.

Kids these days....

Back when I was a DJ, we had to carry crates of records to gigs uphill both ways in 6 feet of snow with only 1 shoe!

You can't fight progress.

(BTW, I use Traktor)

Tod

[the_antagonist]

If it is possible with ableton to see more than only one deck at a time... to beatjump 1;4 and 32 beats and loop, loopjump and looplenth change... then I would go for ableton. But unfortunately it's not possible yet.
But... now i use traktor for these things.

Unfortunately there is no "return effect" on traktor.

it is sort of possible. its just not got a dedicated button. but im sure its possible. iv never thought to use a function like that. but yeh.... just over type the start locator with the number of beats you wanna jump.

just overtype the loop length.

you can do loads in live. FACT!

[dredd i knight]

beats me wrote:

Serato is for old vinyl DJs that can't let it go...

+1, that is why i don't like it that much, i actually really dislike all the conservative DJ-ing / vinyl... thing... to me it got so far that i want to go straight home when i see dusty vinyl in a club and a guy behind it feeling cool because he still uses the dinosaur crap and needs 3 minutes to beatmatch and thinks it's an art form, it bores the shit out of me, give me digital any day. traktor rules.

but yeah i am really excited about the serato / ableton partnership, i just hope that they are radical enough to fuck all that control vinyl / CD business no one needs anymore... i'd rather see a progressive midi control without any damn platter or anything trying to emulate the way we used to do this!!!. something that turns around in circles while DJ-ing in 2009 should be forbidden.

my point of view! be more radical!

you dont scratch do you?

[the_antagonist]

scratching. whats that? you mean turntablist sample pack with mpc?

[dredd i knight]

^^^lol
yeah thats what i meant...
i feel sooo old
skool

[the_antagonist]

no school like it

[SubFunk]

whats the point of having 8 decks and a pad controller, why not use live
i must be missing something

LIVE: no tempo nudge up/down per channel... And the need to warp makes it a complete FAIL!!!

Ok, please explain. Why would you need tempo nudge per track, if your tracks are all perfectly synced together - always? Unless, it is for some effect.

Warping takes 5-10 seconds out of your life = perfectly synced tracks. Traktor always had problems in this department, unless you start laying down a beat grid and doing things by hand - which is like warping but more fiddly.

there was once a huge thread about Live vs. Traktor i explained detailed why i personally prefer Traktor... for DJ-ing

even 5 to 10 seconds for a warp are to long, if you like to work spontanious... in Traktor you can drop ANY track and beatmatch even nicely manually with a midi controller... in ableton you can't that good... in Traktor i can easy do a back to back with a guy who drops records... all with midi.
because of the way the pitch and pitch bend works in Traktor, i can even 'work beats in'
in Live you can only tap tempo and nudge a bit the whole system tempo, that's it... (that is much ruffer in result then a smooth pitchbend while you go into the 'open mix') in short.

and you need to have prepped all tracks you possibly want to play... nerve wrecking and not DJ-ing to me!

this discussion is again endless, use what suits YOU, LIve to me is the worse DJ application...

[starving student]

this is what it sounds like when I laugh at people who put down scratching and use scratch samples in their tracks.......ha ha ha haha ha ....ha