sasha is just so boring

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Post by hoffman2k » Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:20 pm

16 BIT wrote:For The Record Im Not A Sasha Fan





All of you flaming sasha do this for one reason only

envious of his success

and

envious of his success

and

envious of his success



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reiner
if you read this plese read ALL posts from users and DONT single me out. I merely give an honest opinon and havent swore to anyone.


and

envious of his success
You just dont smegging get it, do you?
The reason you got told of by Reiner was through insulting respected users and even Ableton as a collective.

You're comment about .... having his head up ... arse is kinda redundant because you could probably see what sasha had for breakfast from your view.

It's one thing to bash sasha for his claims as master dj of the universe.
It's another thing to start bashing a company and it's users just because you want their latest product to be cheaper or free.

I know i may not be the most like-able person on this forum full of sarcastic and sadistic people.
But you 16 bit. You add another level to being annoying and offensive.

Envious about his success. :lol: Give me a break.
Tell us how you really feel.

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Post by hoffman2k » Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:31 pm

BTW. Stop pointing a finger at people.
What are you aiming at? You want Ableton to tell us all off individually?

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Post by mosca » Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:32 pm

Sorry man, but you are asking for this. I have a wide range of taste but one listen to your stuff and I can honestly say that your music is total drivel.

you can pass that off as experimental all you like.

I simply say you cant play a note and your one of the new breed of talentless individuals that grabbed an app like Live and saw that you could make a noise and pass it off as some deep thoughtful music for intelligent people.

As you say
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firstly - what music - if its the retropublik.com website - none of those artists is me

you are of course entitled to your opinion, but saying i cant play a note is pushing it a bit far, let's recap...

played guitar for 15 years (played on 6 commercially released albums)
played bass for 20 years (as above)
played keyboards for about 10 years (first synth was an M1 work it out)
played drums for years
currently signed to a record label in the UK and if you listen to radio one during the day chances are you'll have heard our single

the music i make is the music i like, simple as that and if it involves one note droning for an hour so be it

been using live since 1.5 - has sasha? nope

new breed of what exactly?

as i've stated previously - i remember sasha thru the 90's and personally i think hes total shit, over rated and he had a fucking stupid haircut.

don't single me out for having an opinion that differs from yours

mosca

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Post by 16 BIT » Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:55 pm

noisetonepause wrote:I'm certainly not envious of Sasha's success (and hell, I'd never heard of him before coming here) as I've little desire to actually be successful with my music and I certainly don't want to be a DJ...

I've listened to a bit of what's been linked to in this thread and all I can hear is a fucking 4/4 kick with some pointless synths over... it does nothing at all for me.

And I think calling my tunes 'clicky nonsense devoid of emotion' is stretching it... they might not be very good, but they're certainly not clicky..!

-Paws
Eh? I havent even heard your stuff. I was talking about users websites who proudly show their music.

I dont like like heavy metal.

I dont like cliky bleepy techno devoid of any emotion

I dont like 50's rock and roll

I like music from the heart not the head.

Is it OK if I have an opinion



:roll:

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Post by Zakari Luk » Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:56 pm

whether sasha sucks is or not is a subjective thing. however, he is overrated.

i remember twilo, nyc, 1998, sasha and digweed had a residency there, it was usually a good night depending on how drugged out one was.

there were much better dj/producers at that time doing much better and original things. some were underground and some weren't. one thing for sure, the whole superstar dj thing is for wannabe rockstars that never even took the time to learn an instrument.

i wont say that i like or dislike his music, but i will say that successful doesnt always equate to innovative. i think he at the very most is average, and at the very least is average.

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Post by 16 BIT » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:03 pm

Mosca,

I apologise. I take it for granted that users who display a www which leads to a site with music is the posters.

Still, what I heard there was awful. Thats my opinion so please allow me to have it. Your pretty good at letting us know you think Sasha;s stuff is void of anything

Its your opinion

FCS, its amazing Im defending a guy that I think is OK. Im no big fan, but most of what is said on this thread regarding the man is rubbish from people who know nothing about him.

I say again. Ableton thought he was important enough to plaster all over their website

WHY?

because hes good for their brand name.

The Sasha flames on this board are ridiculous. Why is it he is always picked on?

I have stayed clear of all Sasha threads up to this point. There comes a time when somone has to defend the guy. I think its incredibly stupid for Live users to act like this because he is good for all of us REGARDLESS OF WHAT GENRE

Are you a good bass player?

Im Mark King

:wink:

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Post by 16 BIT » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:31 pm

Hoffman2k

You just dont smegging get it, do you?
The reason you got told of by Reiner was through insulting respected users and even Ableton as a collective.

You're comment about .... having his head up ... arse is kinda redundant because you could probably see what sasha had for breakfast from your view.

It's one thing to bash sasha for his claims as master dj of the universe.
It's another thing to start bashing a company and it's users just because you want their latest product to be cheaper or free.

I know i may not be the most like-able person on this forum full of sarcastic and sadistic people.
But you 16 bit. You add another level to being annoying and offensive.

Envious about his success. Give me a break.
Tell us how you really feel.


1. When have I bashed Sasha?

2. When has sasha claimed to be master DJ of the universe? (prove it)



The reason you got told of by Reiner was through insulting respected users and even Ableton as a collective.
NO, wrong again. On the Henke/benshink/Operator post I had a confrontation with Deadbeat. READ THE THREAD AGAIN. There are users of this forum who have said a lot more negative things about Ableton than I have EVER done.

Im the only one to insult a forum user am I???. Take a look around Hoffy and see whats really going on. I did not insult Ableton as a collective. See my original response to 'Deadbeat" at the bottom. You need a refresher course.
You're comment about .... having his head up ... arse is kinda redundant because you could probably see what sasha had for breakfast from your view.
What planet are you on. The word ARSE in the ENGLISH language is not considered a profanity. Its even heard on daytime TV in the UK. deadbeat has some kind of association with robert. Wouldnt his comments be redundant and biased. Perhaps I should have said his comments to benshink should be void because of his association with heinke. Would that have been better for you.
It's another thing to start bashing a company and it's users just because you want their latest product to be cheaper or free.
NOT ONE TIME did I advocate that operator should be free. Again I repeat I did not bash Ableton. I am on record as saying I like operator but wont pay the asking price. Is that clear enough for you? Please get your facts straight.
I know i may not be the most like-able person on this forum full of sarcastic and sadistic people.
But you 16 bit. You add another level to being annoying and offensive
Your now calling me SADISTIC. Are you crazy? but you are right , your not the most like-able person after your Sadistic comment. To me thats 1000 times worse than saying someone has their head up another persons arse.


I REPEAT YOUR SADISTIC COMMENT is the by far a bigger insult than I have ever seen on this forum from anyone.

Tell us how you really feel
I always do, but your sadistic comment will be remembered by me for a long time. You certainly let me know how you feel.

Thanks hoffy, go on show your true colours.

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Deadbeats response to Benshink (Threadstarter)

[/quote]DEADBEAT


Thank you Oh! Seer of Wisdom for elucidating we lesser beings!

Clearly, as you have so deftly pontificated over 7 paragraphs, Operator is no mere optional upgrade, but a malicious public Id wank designed to further Robert's evil plan to monopolize the world's every technological resource and bend them to his own sadistic will...

At any rate, you've certainly made my morning. This is the funniest thing I've read weeks!


if you care to go to the thread theres around 6 responses to Benshink and all of them reasonable. Then I read Deadbeats response. It was childish and designed simply to make benshink look foolish. I responsed pretty damn nicely. Of course I could post them all here. This thing has has got completely out of hand due to one smart ass, and that aint me.







First Post I wrote to deadbeat

Hey deadbeat,

I didnt find Benshink post funny. While it was emotional he did have some valid points. Its perfectly plausable that Robert went on his own mission on this one and the company played along. How do you know there wasnt resistance in the Ableton Camp?

I have stated that I like Operator, but I wont buy it at the asking price. No big deal.

Ben pointed out some stuff that Robert has said about his Operator and there does seem to be an element of me me me. Nothing wrong with that but there were and still are far more pressing needs for Ableton Live than an FM synth.

There can be little doubt that a lot of resources, time and effort went in to operator from Robert. I cant help wondering who was working on all the really crucial stuff while operator was being designed.

Can you?

The negative attitude toward Operator is based on need. No one needed a new synth except Robert and Forge so when it arrived after the Ables had pumped it up all secretive like, well obviously it was a let down for many, and emotions came to the surface

Yeh Hoffman real sadistic. Serial killer material huh!!


Deadbeats response to Benshink (Threadstarter)

DEADBEAT


Thank you Oh! Seer of Wisdom for elucidating we lesser beings!

Clearly, as you have so deftly pontificated over 7 paragraphs, Operator is no mere optional upgrade, but a malicious public Id wank designed to further Robert's evil plan to monopolize the world's every technological resource and bend them to his own sadistic will...

At any rate, you've certainly made my morning. This is the funniest thing I've read weeks!


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Post by AdamJay » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:49 pm

16 BIT wrote:
No Adam, your music is average at best. At least its not total garbage buy you aint breaking down any barriers.


Good to see your PR skillz are in full throttle mode. I PM'ed you about this and obviously you didnt get it

Your loss my friend :roll:
unfortunately for you i only take advice from Real people, not busters that hide behind the cloak of the internet spitting shit on every little thing they don't agree 100% with, dissing people's music without providing any evidence that they themselves can even write a tune.

look man, i don't care who you are. You could be one of 200 UK techno/house guys who may have a record or two out that i like. That's besides the point. You show your true colors by not putting a face next to the garbage that flies out of your mouth. You may not like my music, but at least i don't hide behind everything i say on this forum.

Not on any day have i woke up out of bed wanting to please you, nor have i for anyone else. So don't try to play holier than thou with me like you are doing everyone else in this thread. We used to be able to have heated debate on this forum that was heated but mature and thoughtful. Now that gets stifled by 16 Bit or whoever the hell you are 's "this is the way it is, you're wrong i'm right and you have shit for taste. by the way you'll never know who i am.

yea well fuck you. i dont care who you are , who you were , or who you will be. Because to me you're only one thing. A fucking Asshole who has no respect for anyone but himself and Aphex Twin.

So do not addres me on this forum ever again. This is one of the only time's i've addressed you since your little "lets flame adam jay conniption". I avoid your ass like the plague because like the plague, I don't have time to deal with you.

Whether or not anyone agrees or disagrees with what you or i have to say here is also besides the point. But one thing so many can agree on is the fact that you are a complete twat.

merry christmas.

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Post by hoffman2k » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:52 pm

Actually i was implying myself as sadistic and sarcastic.

- You where trying to smooth talk your way out of what you did by pointing out that what people in this tread including me (NOT YOU) where insulting sasha.

- I then pointed out that sasha bashing like we (people in this thread) do. Is a whole other thing then saying what you said to deadbeat.

- Sasha is OBVIOUSLY overrated, Ableton is underrated

- you twisted my words and putted them in a context that makes it look like an outrage for my recent rant pointed at you.

The next thing i'm going to say is something i dont know for sure. It's a guess.
The person you insulted "Deadbeat" is the person with Robert Henke in the operator video.
Again, i'm not sure about this. but they have the same name.

Dont take everything literally. arse may not be a profanity.
But it's the same spot where the sun doesn't shine.


Dont even bother replying to this one. I'm done.
If you thought sarcastic and sadistic was an insult aimed at you, read again. Those are my best features. It's also a way do describe dry british humor. missing that one is just plain naive.

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Post by hoffman2k » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:56 pm

AdamJay wrote:yea well fuck you. complete twat.

merry christmas.
Yeah. what he said :lol:

From:
16 BIT

To:
hoffman2k

Posted:
Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:58 pm

Subject:
Get your facts straight Please


You called me Sadistic

That is by far the most offensive comment I have ever seen on this board. You also got every single fact wrong.

That comment was a mistake and you can bet I will be making sure Ableton know about it.

Up to the point of the Benshink Heinke thread my reputation was intact, but your Sadistic comment will damage me. over the last few days I have tried to repair any damage and was doing fine.

You have one choice. Publicly apologise to me and I will forget it.



I REST MY CASE

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Post by 16 BIT » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:02 pm

Hoffman,

You called me Sadistic

Wriggle out all you like, and of course your done because you know you were way out of line.

Im done with you.

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Post by Zakari Luk » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:03 pm

i had an ex-girlfriend call me sadistic once, i took it as a compliment. 8)

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Post by 16 BIT » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:23 pm

AdamJay wrote:
16 BIT wrote:
No Adam, your music is average at best. At least its not total garbage buy you aint breaking down any barriers.


Good to see your PR skillz are in full throttle mode. I PM'ed you about this and obviously you didnt get it

Your loss my friend :roll:
unfortunately for you i only take advice from Real people, not busters that hide behind the cloak of the internet spitting shit on every little thing they don't agree 100% with, dissing people's music without providing any evidence that they themselves can even write a tune.

look man, i don't care who you are. You could be one of 200 UK techno/house guys who may have a record or two out that i like. That's besides the point. You show your true colors by not putting a face next to the garbage that flies out of your mouth. You may not like my music, but at least i don't hide behind everything i say on this forum.

Not on any day have i woke up out of bed wanting to please you, nor have i for anyone else. So don't try to play holier than thou with me like you are doing everyone else in this thread. We used to be able to have heated debate on this forum that was heated but mature and thoughtful. Now that gets stifled by 16 Bit or whoever the hell you are 's "this is the way it is, you're wrong i'm right and you have shit for taste. by the way you'll never know who i am.

yea well fuck you. i dont care who you are , who you were , or who you will be. Because to me you're only one thing. A fucking Asshole who has no respect for anyone but himself and Aphex Twin.

So do not addres me on this forum ever again. This is one of the only time's i've addressed you since your little "lets flame adam jay conniption". I avoid your ass like the plague because like the plague, I don't have time to deal with you.

Whether or not anyone agrees or disagrees with what you or i have to say here is also besides the point. But one thing so many can agree on is the fact that you are a complete twat.

merry christmas.
How many times have you insulted me in your post there.Quite a lot it seems.


While you think its cool for you to publicly slander Sasha who will not come on here and defend himself its not cool for me to say your music is average. I also told you in a PM why sasha will never again post on a forum. I suppose you took comfort in that so you can go all out and bash him. I have watched every sasha thread and you are in there spreading your wisdom EVERY TIME. real brave huh! I would love to see him confront you in person and watch you squrim.



hide behind your rubbish that you just wrote. Your real reason is your pissed tha someone has the balls to say you rmusic is average. Not crap, average. Whats your problem. Cant take some criticism. remember average means average, not crap. There is a difference.Deal with it, and improve.


You want to hear real talent from a guy on this board?

CT43. Check out his stuff. Sort of blows yours away doesnt it.



Below is a list of your insults to me I was publicly warned for saying deabeat has his head up roberts arse. WOW insult of the century.


YOUR INSULTS TO ME:

yea well fuck you

A fucking Asshole who has no respect for anyone

I avoid your ass like the plague


Nuff said, and I didnt curse to anyone.

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Post by AdamJay » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:47 pm

actually i dont remember you ever PMing me anything about sasha never coming back to this board.

and you still fail to miss my point. it doesnt take balls to bash someone, like you so love to do to me. it takes balls to bash someone under your real name so that you can be held accountable for it. thus you have none of these balls we speak of.

moving on... your first reply to me in this thread was a reply to my SARCASTIC post in respose to his "Press Release" calling it Revolutionary.
is that an Insult? is that Bashing? no, thats sarcasm. in fact i was only sarcastically noting what the Press Release itself was saying. Back peddle out of that one.

as far as me insulting to you, well you sure can dish it out but you can't take it can ya.

i CAN take criticism, from real people. i do all the time. but i dont take it from wankers who type behind a masked sheet of anonymity.

and about CT43.. Carl Taylor does excellent work. yes it is eclectic and yes it is tasteful (at least regarding my tastes). But i feel no need to compare him to myself, to you, or to any other artist. Why do you? really? WHY DO YOU?

furthermore you have an extremely dominate personality. Even when you are complimenting someone you have to be talking down to them, whats up with that? Even whilst complimenting Carl you talked down to other people, subtly but surely. It all has to do with your wording. Insult other people as to prove any point you are trying to make. REAL CLASSY. REAL CLASSY. i'll quote "Listened to a lot of peoples stuff on this board but never comment as I find most of it to be--------a bit amateur . Theres a few people on the board that are top class and you are one of them."

Carl makes excellent tunes, i won't deny that. But why sit on a high horse and show that your opinion is somehow validated by the fact that you HATE some music, to show why music you don't hate is good?

you have serious social problems my friend. if you think ableton's little slap on the wrist was just about an isolated incident, you may want to re-evaluate the things you've been saying on this board in the last few days. your behavior has been a constant, the slap on the wrist came when you struck a more sensitive nerve.
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Post by AdamJay » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:50 pm

From: AdamJay
To: 16 BIT
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:48 pm
Subject: Re:Confidential
16 BIT wrote: Did you ever wonder why I know about CPL, Primate, distribution in general?

Didnt you get where I was going with my PM's to you??

Obviously not

You just blew something that could have been benefical for you. I was just about ready to let you know who I am and this would have definitely been good for your career (even though your music is average) which is irreleavnt anyway, Dj's are made by their PR/Agents. Didnt you know that.

be cool, this email is confidential OK.
i don't care, you are a cunt.

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