Deep Bass And How To

Growtg · Post by **Growtg** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:56 pm

First of all where to get that kind of bass???
Prodigy and Pendulum i guess have a lot in their songs.
Really big bass...
And another how does it work with drum and bass???
Doesn't the bass like swallow up the drums???
Any tips

P.S. : Thank You.

liveISlife · Post by **liveISlife** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:43 pm

Look into side chaining for the bass swallowing the drums thing. And for really deep crazy bass just mess around and see what you can get. Try stating with a sine wave down low for a smooth sub bass then add some square waves or saw waves to get it crazy.

liveISlife · Post by **liveISlife** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:44 pm

O yeah, don't forget low pass filters and distortion and what ever the heck else you feel like using. What synths do you have?

osopolar · Post by **osopolar** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:45 pm

Experiment man!!

It is the only way....read about mixing...get synth vst's......

Experiment...

your question does not have an answer.....has 1 million!!!!

re.mark · Post by **re.mark** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:46 pm

Layers and Layers
There seemed to be a movement at the moment to have sine waves for the main sub, then the dirtier mid-range bass with everything below 100hz filtered out so it doesnt clash with the sub. Lots of saturation.
DnB at the moment aswell, has gotten into the cliche of Highpassing Kick drums at 100hz and snares at 200hz so theres more room for the bass to come into its own element and not clash.
Its all about clever EQing in the right places.

Grappadura · Post by **Grappadura** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:48 pm

the kick is not swallowed if you play it on a different octave. Kick could be prominent in the 80-90 hz region, bass can be around 60 or deeper.

liveISlife · Post by **liveISlife** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:51 pm

re.mark wrote:Its all about clever EQing in the right places.

I concur. The clever EQing is great. Not only can you tweak your sound to sound great but you can tweak it to fit in the mix great. It's a win win situation FTW.

MrShine · Post by **MrShine** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:31 pm

Good advice here, cheers

emef · Post by **emef** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:46 pm

check out dogs on acid and the dubstepforum

both great place to pick up tips about bass heavy music

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewforum.p ... 88e55cedff

http://www.dogsonacid.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=4

the dubstep production bible is particularly good and applicable to other styles of music

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14797

Growtg · Post by **Growtg** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:29 pm

Thanks a lot!!!

All i need to do is to learn more...and yeah it's really hard with EQ's...

Thanks to all.

liveISlife · Post by **liveISlife** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:07 pm

Another common thing people do is to find a bass preset you like and reverse engineer it to see how the magic happens. Seeing how its done like that can help you design your own speaker shattering bassness. And if you don't know anything about synths do some research about how they work and what all the terms mean about them. Like attack, release, and all that. Do you have Operator? I think that is a really great synth to learn/ start on.

IP · Post by IP » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:10 pm

re.mark wrote:Highpassing Kick drums at 100hz and snares at 200hz so theres more room for the bass

cut low from kicks @ 100

cut low from snares @ 200

Isnt it tooooooooooooooooooooo much low cut?

The bass may have its place but the kick and snare will be like a farts grain

re.mark · Post by **re.mark** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:37 pm

IP wrote:
re.mark wrote:Highpassing Kick drums at 100hz and snares at 200hz so theres more room for the bass
cut low from kicks @ 100 cut low from snares @ 200

Isnt it tooooooooooooooooooooo much low cut?

The bass may have its place but the kick and snare will be like a farts grain

Apparently not, those are the most widely distributed bits of advice in dnb etc atm. Even in Computer Music video tutorials etc. Try it out with a beefy bassline with a compliamenting drum rhythm with those low cuts on the kit and it works surprising well.
Obvuiously its not the method used on 100% of dnb tracks out there, but thats the 'in-thing' right now.

Michael Hatsis · Post by **Michael Hatsis** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:14 am

re.mark wrote:
IP wrote:
re.mark wrote:Highpassing Kick drums at 100hz and snares at 200hz so theres more room for the bass
cut low from kicks @ 100 cut low from snares @ 200

Isnt it tooooooooooooooooooooo much low cut?

The bass may have its place but the kick and snare will be like a farts grain
Apparently not, those are the most widely distributed bits of advice in dnb etc atm. Even in Computer Music video tutorials etc. Try it out with a beefy bassline with a compliamenting drum rhythm with those low cuts on the kit and it works surprising well.
Obvuiously its not the method used on 100% of dnb tracks out there, but thats the 'in-thing' right now.

Cool Ideas, seems a bit much to go filter instead of a shelf or notch though, eh? Ill give it a go.

I tend to do the opposite. notch out a bit of bass at around 70-90hz or so, to make the kick more prominent there. but in this case Ill have the subs in the kick and try to have my bass pwn the 250 - 500- 750Hz( or so ) area.Obviously, you want to have bass in other freqs but Ill try to make it count there. Gentle sidechaining as well to bring out the kick a bit more- not for pumping bass effect, in this case.

One thing to consider, bass or kick drum more prominant.

to the OP, placement is also another way to get huge basses, if your kicks are on the downbeat have your bass notes on the up. add a modest amount of sidechain compression on the bass to catch the bass when the kick hits. Then compress a bit after the SC < 3:1 or so. obviously, you can't always have your bass on the upbeat though.

also, the saturator will !always! fatten bass, just choose soft, med, or hard, thats it.
someone else mentioned the octaves thing, very good advice, get a decent spectrum analyzer that you can measure freqs as octaves ( not Live's- sorry abes ) and work those octaves.

so much more...Id love to hear more bass tips...

re.mark · Post by **re.mark** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:14 am

mike@TrackTeam Audio wrote:Cool Ideas, seems a bit much to go filter instead of a shelf or notch though, eh? Ill give it a go.

Well the principal comes from earlier jungle. think about 90s jungle from the UK. Its all about the amen break, pitched up. so the drums are really kinda tiney and high, then youve got this huge amount of space for your reese/bass (which was usually an 808 sample looped very quickly or detuned saw waves).

With regard to bass, dont cast off envelopes as subtle pitch modulate making the note slide in at the begining can prevent that clash of frequencies with your kick. Same goes to Filter modulation, listen to Bad Company - The Nine the bassline has a LPfilter envelope on the patch so that it 'growls' in giving room for the kick each time it hits - the same principal could be used for HPfilters, sliding it in.
Bass sound-wise, ideas can vary from the aformentions 808 sampling, to saw waves detuned really far apart (like 20cents each way) that gives the movement when your bassline hits diffferent notes as the detuned amount oscillates faster as your moved up the scale (really nice effect imo!) (this is called the Reese/Reece - I cant remember which)
Try using two (or more) different waveforms for variation and go mad with modulation of any paramteres you want.

The other 'trick' you can use is maybe not someting Id reccomend but worth trying. Mixing your other elements lower than you normally would in the mixdown so that it gives the impression the bass is louder/more present than normal.

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