This isn't uniwue to OS or any particular hardware. A friend of mine spent the best part of 6 months and a LOT of money getting his new Mac/MOTU/DP based setup working spic n span and as it should be and useful help from Apple, or the outlet purchased from, wasn't particularly forthcoming. MIDI timing was abysmal along with crashy DUY plugs. One chip on the board just plain fell off the motherboard as Apple had used a surface mount design when this particular chip should have been through-hole being on a vulnerable part of the motherboard.
Come on, first SMT is robotic, you know how many machines would have this problem, I check out the Mac boards, never heard of this. About DP, I guess if chips are falling out, you will have probems... Look, Performer on g4 is proven tech, Madonna used this on her last concert tour. Also if you check Harmony central, you know that Motu will be demoing OSX DP at NAMM.
What is The Fastest Powerbook equal to on a PC laptop
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Look, lets's get this straight. I personally don't give a tinkers cuss what OS or software I use as longs as it does what I need it to do. I have both platforms here including desk and laptops. I also don't care who uses what to achieve what they want, it's like the pro-tools argument and that is also a crock of crap as a "look, the pro's use it" statement. I have used and use that plenty as well. The more astute if these users have cottoned on that they are actually quite aways behind in where things are going instead of trying to justify their investment, which isn't inconsiderable in many cases.
This thread is about equality of two differing hardware based systems and the fact is I can build a PC based system that is every bit as stable for doing audio far more complex than is being suggested in the main within this thread. How do I know? I have the systems sitting right here next to me.
My point was this and it isn't being said just to be inflamatory. For what it is worth it's from a guy who has been recording and gigging since the 70's and is just trying to pass it along. Take or leave, it's your wallet.
PC's can be flaky, Macs can be flaky. PC's can have hardware with abysmal drivers, Macs can havehardware with abysmal drivers. W2K/XP can be setup and run like a pig, 9.?/OS X can be setup and run like a pig. W2K/XP can be setup to run flawlessly for audio purposes and 9.?/OS X can also. They are facts based on experience not on as to if the King of Siam used it or whomever.
OS X is beautiful, I fully expect to be using it permanently in a couple of years time or maybe less but for me personally, and this is a pretty damn complex setup here and I've had a few, a Mac will not do what I need to do at this point even if it will for Herbie Hancock. There was a liiiiiiiiiitle bit going on with that tour you mentioned than a Mac. Sure, when I have a tour with an unlimted budget where I can just say to two dozen+ techies on the payroll "Go buy whatever you want to achieve this or that" I bet I would end up with a Mac based gigging system, but I'm guessing most people on this board aren't in that position. I could be wrong.
Oh, and speaking of cars. My next door neighbour has a lovely Mercedes that I can see out of the window, I think Madonna may even have one, and we saw each other in town earlier. I won't say what car I have but we both seemed to manage to get to town and back despite what stars may use his "brand".
Macs are cute. OS X is cuter. Unfortunately I can't run my loved Drawmer compressors or TC Dynamizer on any card available for it. I haven't been able to run a live signal through any Mac at 64 sample latency using ASIO/etc reliably I have had access to, using good hardware I may add, run it back through a desk effected and monitor it live in any usable way (any small latencies are excaerbated when you get the rig in a big hall). I haven't got the software base, tools, available that are on my PC rigs. I can't expect to run a great many plugs, in comparison, beofre things start to get creaky. I have up to eight (8) feedsatm, potentially more, coming into the computer that need treating live, recorded, fed back and monitored through the desk in groups and I can tell you that without getting into SERIOUS money that won't happen with a Mac.
Anyway, as I say. None of this is meant to be inflamatory so please don't take it that way, it is based on experience having to actually work with this stuff. Both systems can be made to work pretty sqeaky clean but both need some homework. When it comes to a system where you need options and "grunt" a good PC setup will win every time. Honestly, there is no argument and it's wasted ether if people think there is.
Keep looping.
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This thread is about equality of two differing hardware based systems and the fact is I can build a PC based system that is every bit as stable for doing audio far more complex than is being suggested in the main within this thread. How do I know? I have the systems sitting right here next to me.
My point was this and it isn't being said just to be inflamatory. For what it is worth it's from a guy who has been recording and gigging since the 70's and is just trying to pass it along. Take or leave, it's your wallet.
PC's can be flaky, Macs can be flaky. PC's can have hardware with abysmal drivers, Macs can havehardware with abysmal drivers. W2K/XP can be setup and run like a pig, 9.?/OS X can be setup and run like a pig. W2K/XP can be setup to run flawlessly for audio purposes and 9.?/OS X can also. They are facts based on experience not on as to if the King of Siam used it or whomever.
OS X is beautiful, I fully expect to be using it permanently in a couple of years time or maybe less but for me personally, and this is a pretty damn complex setup here and I've had a few, a Mac will not do what I need to do at this point even if it will for Herbie Hancock. There was a liiiiiiiiiitle bit going on with that tour you mentioned than a Mac. Sure, when I have a tour with an unlimted budget where I can just say to two dozen+ techies on the payroll "Go buy whatever you want to achieve this or that" I bet I would end up with a Mac based gigging system, but I'm guessing most people on this board aren't in that position. I could be wrong.
Oh, and speaking of cars. My next door neighbour has a lovely Mercedes that I can see out of the window, I think Madonna may even have one, and we saw each other in town earlier. I won't say what car I have but we both seemed to manage to get to town and back despite what stars may use his "brand".
Macs are cute. OS X is cuter. Unfortunately I can't run my loved Drawmer compressors or TC Dynamizer on any card available for it. I haven't been able to run a live signal through any Mac at 64 sample latency using ASIO/etc reliably I have had access to, using good hardware I may add, run it back through a desk effected and monitor it live in any usable way (any small latencies are excaerbated when you get the rig in a big hall). I haven't got the software base, tools, available that are on my PC rigs. I can't expect to run a great many plugs, in comparison, beofre things start to get creaky. I have up to eight (8) feedsatm, potentially more, coming into the computer that need treating live, recorded, fed back and monitored through the desk in groups and I can tell you that without getting into SERIOUS money that won't happen with a Mac.
Anyway, as I say. None of this is meant to be inflamatory so please don't take it that way, it is based on experience having to actually work with this stuff. Both systems can be made to work pretty sqeaky clean but both need some homework. When it comes to a system where you need options and "grunt" a good PC setup will win every time. Honestly, there is no argument and it's wasted ether if people think there is.
Keep looping.
DT
you obviously didn't research anything before commenting. The Sony model I mentioned, which is the GRX600 (CTO) 1.8GHz mode, has a 16.1" screen with a resolution of 1600x1200 much bigger than the most expensive Tibook.If you build a sony laptop with the same features as the highest end TiBook, you'll find it much more expensive than the TiBook -- not to mention you can't even get some features with the sony, like the wide screen.
and every feature minus the superdrive and aiport card can be found on both systems. firewire, usb, external video, built-in sound, etc. they both have it all.
Im assuming your obviously talented enough to learn how to use music software, including Live. so doing some research online, reading a few docs, and making some changes in the system is not anymore difficult. give yourself more credit than what you think... If doing a little homework means you can save a $1000 or more, why not do it? some people obviously have money to spend on convenience. I prefer to save, and come out with a little extra knowledge I didn't have before.as someone who is quite untalented at configuring computers, expect to be able to do flawless audio work on the Sony Vaio with an external audio box like the RME or Motu ---- without dropouts etc. ???
why hot diggity damn! your right sonny boy!Is that one of them there "mobility" P4 chips in the VAIO?
only thing different than a regular P4 desktop processor is that the mobile version is capable of scaling it's speed based on power consumption. so if your on battery power, it will drop it's megahertz to conserver on power. something even the Tibooks do. check your OS 9 power management settings. put yourself on battery power and run the apple system profiler, and you'll see your processor drop about 100-200Mhz.
both of which can be disabled on the PC and Mac, to ensure you get the full processor speed you need, regardless of power mode.
btw...it's nice to have such discussions with level headed people. other forums i've been to usually degrade into personal flames and attacks. the purpose here is not a war folks, but a place to discuss intelligently, and maybe learn something new you didn't know before.
cheers!
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A P4 could "average" maybe that much power if it was at full-tilt with a heavy processing load but it is likely to consume far less than that. It won't just consume 65 Watts just by virtue of it being switched on. Still more than a G4 granted but then it is bussing data at a heck of a rate as well but it really is no big deal. It is more likely to average nearer 40W in an audio setup. but of course it will vary.
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thanks for posting the extra info DT...
ettubay...what im saying is that as far as performance in audio software (Live, Cubase, softsynths, etc.) a 1.8GHz mP4 and a 1.8GHz P4 perform the same. which again still outperforms a 1GHz G4. And yes, they do scale. it was one of the features that was implemented in the mobile versions of the Pentium III and Pentium IV processors. My old Compaq Armada M700 ran at 700MHz and scaled down to 550MHz on Battery power, unless I disabled the processor scaling feature on the laptop itself.
On PC's you disable it via the BIOS, on Mac's you disable it via the Energy Saver options in the control panel of OS 9 by unchecking the "allow processor cycling" option. It's no big secret, anyone can find the option, you just have to look. I don't know how you disable it in OS X. I haven't taken the time to look yet
cheers.
ettubay...what im saying is that as far as performance in audio software (Live, Cubase, softsynths, etc.) a 1.8GHz mP4 and a 1.8GHz P4 perform the same. which again still outperforms a 1GHz G4. And yes, they do scale. it was one of the features that was implemented in the mobile versions of the Pentium III and Pentium IV processors. My old Compaq Armada M700 ran at 700MHz and scaled down to 550MHz on Battery power, unless I disabled the processor scaling feature on the laptop itself.
On PC's you disable it via the BIOS, on Mac's you disable it via the Energy Saver options in the control panel of OS 9 by unchecking the "allow processor cycling" option. It's no big secret, anyone can find the option, you just have to look. I don't know how you disable it in OS X. I haven't taken the time to look yet
cheers.
