I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by knotkranky » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:44 pm

AceLuby wrote:
knotkranky wrote:
ok, so I guess you bought a faulty mac. Yeah, that doesn't happen anywhere else.

The point is making music, and getting to it as smoothly and a easy as possible.

You have other priorities is all. But for creation, I'd advise anyone with that motive to chose the OS over anything else.
I've never bought a faulty mac, way out of my price range. I also know that computers break, which is the reason I don't want to drop 2 grand on a machine. My gf's lappy is about to go because of HW issues, but it'll cost about $400 to replace. How much would it cost to replace a mac, or even fix one for that matter?

I haven't really had any issues on the PC's I've run. 'It just works' as the OP put it. I turn on my machine, click on Ableton and don't worry about anything after that. Takes about 30 sec.

My new PC showed up and I expected it to take a couple nights before everything was set up. Took 3 hours total before I was jamming and recording, most of it was installing Live and getting my files from one PC to the other.

If money was no object I would get a mac, but as it stands I can get 2 gaming laptops for the same price. Is the OS going to make THAT big of a difference where it would be worth double the initial investment? In my mind, no, but to each his own.

As it was pointed out, the OS doesn't help or impede my workflow in Live, so it plays a very small role in the PC that I use w/ Live for live work.
Ok, great, bully for you..... It would be stupid for any PC user who has his flow on with it to switch to mac. Hell no, get yer groove on I say. It's about music and not you or me. As far as money goes, some of us like to drive Mercedes and others like to drive VW's. You bet i compute in style and comfort.




But all that said, don't lead anybody new to music creation into a PC FFS

ya get my point? It's about new users, not us tossers who've got it going on already.


over n out.

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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by ChiDJ » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:47 pm

Guys, it's very simple;

Pro's use Macs. 8O

/thread. :lol:
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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by SubFunk » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:49 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:granted most people arent as smart or experienced as you

i just hear a lot of people who know nothing go

"yea man you can only make musicz on macs"


not word for word...but you know :wink:
na, that's entire rubbish.... and that is not the point. i said several times i use PCs at work, plenty of them (we have all together 4 desktops and six laptops for audio work at work) and of course they can run and do the tasks, it's about those little time and headache saving issues, maintenance, etc.
the time we got a new V4HD (motu) it took double the time to get it going, compared to my laptop... in a company like ours that is a lot of money waisted. those are the points...

money spend on a PC laptop which has a six pin firewire, etc. etc.////

ever updated a yamaha firmware on the DM 1000 / 2000 consoles via PC vs Mac?
and i can name you dozens of other examples, where i spend more energy to get to the same results.

then you know where my fanboy-ism is partly coming from...
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Post by DrXparaMental » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:49 pm

SubFunk wrote:
knotkranky wrote:OS X is easier to use.

yes or no?
yes,

and i don't need 15-20 minutes to get a padkontrol on it going, for instance... downloading a driver, restarting before i can use it... counts for dozens and dozens of audio items, i don't need to download or manipulate anything to use several sound cards in parallel, etc.

i have eucon support... (OK that does not bother most of you) i don't need to download asio4all, made by some private dude, to make windows audio usable...

the list goes on and on...

or as i just read here on the forum to install SP2 just so my machine sees a 60 euro nanoKONTROL...

or disable stuff and configure my OS so i get the maximum out of my system, before i actually can start to make music with it.

whatever.


you know what?

to throw some more into the fire... just ask ableton support how much in percentage of the problems they receive are OS related... from the side of the system itself and from the side of the user (OS user errors!) under OSX and under windows...

dom actually mentioned it a while back here on the forum already :lol:

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Funny, I hear more bitching from Mac users on this forum than I do from PC users concerning bugs. My mac's pussy hurts, it's got bugs. :lol:

This is all just a fart in a windstorm. Mac is over rated. Say it!

MY - MAC - IS - A - POPPY - POOTER.

If Mac or OS X is truly any better, why is the majority of software designed on PCs and for PCs?

Why do we listen to the Mac whine fest every time a new cool piece of software is introduced?

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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by AceLuby » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:51 pm

knotkranky wrote:
AceLuby wrote:
knotkranky wrote:
ok, so I guess you bought a faulty mac. Yeah, that doesn't happen anywhere else.

The point is making music, and getting to it as smoothly and a easy as possible.

You have other priorities is all. But for creation, I'd advise anyone with that motive to chose the OS over anything else.
I've never bought a faulty mac, way out of my price range. I also know that computers break, which is the reason I don't want to drop 2 grand on a machine. My gf's lappy is about to go because of HW issues, but it'll cost about $400 to replace. How much would it cost to replace a mac, or even fix one for that matter?

I haven't really had any issues on the PC's I've run. 'It just works' as the OP put it. I turn on my machine, click on Ableton and don't worry about anything after that. Takes about 30 sec.

My new PC showed up and I expected it to take a couple nights before everything was set up. Took 3 hours total before I was jamming and recording, most of it was installing Live and getting my files from one PC to the other.

If money was no object I would get a mac, but as it stands I can get 2 gaming laptops for the same price. Is the OS going to make THAT big of a difference where it would be worth double the initial investment? In my mind, no, but to each his own.

As it was pointed out, the OS doesn't help or impede my workflow in Live, so it plays a very small role in the PC that I use w/ Live for live work.
Ok, great, bully for you..... It would be stupid for any PC user who has his flow on with it to switch to mac. Hell no, get yer groove on I say. It's about music and not you or me. As far as money goes, some of us like to drive Mercedes and others like to drive VW's. You bet i compute in style and comfort.




But all that said, don't lead anybody new to music creation into a PC FFS

ya get my point? It's about new users, not us tossers who've got it going on already.


over n out.

Good analogy. I'm a Subaru man myself, function and price over luxury, which is why I chose a PC. Why break the bank if the music flows the same? For new users I give them the same advice. I'm can't honestly tell them to spend that kind of money when I am working on something that works just as well, but cost half as much.
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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by McQ714 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:55 pm

knotkranky wrote:Ok, great, bully for you..... It would be stupid for any PC user who has his flow on with it to switch to mac. Hell no, get yer groove on I say. It's about music and not you or me. As far as money goes, some of us like to drive Mercedes and others like to drive VW's. You bet i compute in style and comfort.

But all that said, don't lead anybody new to music creation into a PC FFS

ya get my point? It's about new users, not us tossers who've got it going on already.


over n out.

you don't have a point!!! you are all about the glitz and glamour of owning a mac. not the sensibility of buying a PC. so newbies out there reading this thread.. knotkranky wants you to waste your money on a mac just because it's more trendy and flashy to own a mac.

when was the last time you used a PC for maing music? have you tried Windows 7 yet? i have used friends' macs and i'm still not impressed. btw, did they get that whole battery issue figured out on macbooks?

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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by mdb » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:57 pm

MAC users can go on and keep kidding themselves. 90% of the market share is still controlled by Windows/PC's - Those are the facts.. And the facts speaks for themselves.. Your whole fuckin life is run by windows whether you sorry fuckers want to admit it or not. Hell, Apple doesnt even run there own server OS for their networks.. They are using SUN Microsystems.. And thats some funny shit when you get your head out of your soy latte and take a look at the facts.
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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by bodhi71 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:09 pm

Who has the better commercials?
I rest my case.

In truth, the main obstacle with market share is the intial cost of a Mac.
I used to be a Mac hater until I took a chance and bought a MBP.
I shudder to think about using a PC again. Those who don't have stars on their bellys are just jealous.

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Post by McQ714 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:38 pm

bodhi71 wrote:Who has the better commercials?
I rest my case.

In truth, the main obstacle with market share is the intial cost of a Mac.
I used to be a Mac hater until I took a chance and bought a MBP.
I shudder to think about using a PC again. Those who don't have stars on their bellys are just jealous.

why are mac users like church-goers? i just don't get it. and just like those commercials, you're trying to sell me a line of bullshit by putting down what i know to be the better decision. i have had no stability problems with Vista and look forward to enjoying that plus the increased performance i will get out of W7. apple has to make "better commercials", which is also a bunch of bullshit, because they know they are selling an over-priced system. explain how it is at all possible that Apple can build a system with older components, install an operating system that actually costs if purchased, and still charge way more for the finished product!?!

go preach to someone that is clueless about computers and convince them to join your cult. i can smell your shit a mile away. quit throwing out your bs around here trying to get people to buy in.. it's not like it benefits you in any way.

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Post by Tone Deft » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:41 pm

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Post by SubFunk » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:51 pm

The best thing about macs is that the fight never ends. :lol:
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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by Rinsemeister » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:58 pm

STOP!!!

Me PC!

Tings am running well cool fa me!

Why me gwan buy a Mac an' ting?

Bwoy.......... :mrgreen:

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Re: I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

Post by McQ714 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:50 pm

oh you.. see what you did there! gosh golly gee, you are clever! you mac guys sure do keep us PC guys on our toes! done arguing for the day! everyone have a wonderful afternoon!

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Post by håkan bråkan » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:38 pm

haha, this never ends... however I must say that live 8 is great in snow leopard. Have been running firewire audio in the 64 bit kernel just for fun, and the microkontrol as well, only the monome that doesn't work in 64 bit yet.

In pure technical terms I must say that snow leopard is far ahead any other operaing system, have not experienced a faster and snappy system before (especially start, shutdown and sleep), even comparing to stripped down linux raid systems. The bottleneck is clearly the hard drive now, have to switch to ssd, or why not ssd raid 0 :P

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