Delay time Theory Does Anyone else think about this?

Alextronica · Post by **Alextronica** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:45 am

Ok Imust admit Im a noob but I'd like feel like Im reaching Advanced noob status

Im might be over thinking here but heres what Im thinking

I've been have whole lotta fun with this whole stereo spreading thing in my mixes.

I've been thinking hard about Milliseconds of Delay

I've always heard you should set a delay to the time signature of your tune.

like 1/8 notes or 1/16th notes of Delay

Im thinking this might also apply to milliseconds of Delay in my spread

For Example Im thinking a 60 BPM tune or a 120 BPM tune should use

7.81 Milliseconds of Delay or 15.63 Milliseconds of Delay

Or 90 BPM tune should use 5.86 Milliseconds or 11.72 Milliseconds or 23.44 Milliseconds

Am I crazy or do other do this math when deciding Milliseconds of Delay

I mean we're talking 1/1000 of a second

What do y'all think?

If your wondering where I came you with these number here the Math

60 BPM = 60 Beats per minute or 1 beat per second

1 second = 1000 milliseconds

1/2 second = 500 Milliseconds

1/4 = 250

1/8 = 125

1/16 = 62.5

1/32 = 31.25

1/64 = 15.625

1/128 = 7.8125

So I round to the nearest 100th of a second

so 60 BPM= 7.81 Millisecond of delay

I dont know It make sense to me.

but It might be over thinking.

ÆX

Alextronica · Post by **Alextronica** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:47 am

Im tring to think of a formula to make this easy

say 100 BPM

divide by 60 = the amount of Beats per second

so 100/60 = 10/6 = 5/3

= 5 beat every 3 seconds

= 5 beats every 3000 milliseconds

= 1 Beat = 600 Milliseconds

So this means a delay at 600 millisecond will will give you whole notes of delay

so keep dividing by two and you'll get 1/2 1/4 1/8 note and 16th notes

all the way down to the tinyest of Delay perfect for spreading

So with this line of thinking I'd apply 9.38 Milliseconds of Delay

Am I way off or am I on to something I don't even know just theories

What do yall think?

Superchibisan · Post by **Superchibisan** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:10 am

this is exactly the math used. you know there are online calculators for this stuff right?

no need to formulize, just get to work and make some music!

Samsara · Post by **Samsara** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:42 pm

Also most delay plugins will sync automatically to tempo...i can't think of any that i use offhand that don't actually..

jez3122 · Post by **jez3122** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:45 pm

Alextronica wrote:Ok Imust admit Im a noob but I'd like feel like Im reaching Advanced noob status

Im might be over thinking here but heres what Im thinking

I've been have whole lotta fun with this whole stereo spreading thing in my mixes.

I've been thinking hard about Milliseconds of Delay

I've always heard you should set a delay to the time signature of your tune.

like 1/8 notes or 1/16th notes of Delay

Im thinking this might also apply to milliseconds of Delay in my spread

For Example Im thinking a 60 BPM tune or a 120 BPM tune should use

7.81 Milliseconds of Delay or 15.63 Milliseconds of Delay

Or 90 BPM tune should use 5.86 Milliseconds or 11.72 Milliseconds or 23.44 Milliseconds

Am I crazy or do other do this math when deciding Milliseconds of Delay

I mean we're talking 1/1000 of a second

What do y'all think?

If your wondering where I came you with these number here the Math

60 BPM = 60 Beats per minute or 1 beat per second

1 second = 1000 milliseconds

1/2 second = 500 Milliseconds

1/4 = 250

1/8 = 125

1/16 = 62.5

1/32 = 31.25

1/64 = 15.625

1/128 = 7.8125

So I round to the nearest 100th of a second

so 60 BPM= 7.81 Millisecond of delay

I dont know It make sense to me.

but It might be over thinking.

ÆX

Are you Mental

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:06 pm

if you want to get into this stuff then you may as well start doing your song sin the right key for your tempo too.

EG: C0 is 16.35 hz

that equates to 981 Beats per minute (!)
so divide it by 8 to get something a little bit less frantic and you have

122.625 BPM

so if your song is in C, why not try 122.625 BPM and try and notice if it now sounds more coherent and celestially in-tune.
If it does, congratulations, because you are on your way to a full-on schizophrenic breakdown.

BassTooth · Post by **BassTooth** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:13 pm

Angstrom wrote:if you want to get into this stuff then you may as well start doing your song sin the right key for your tempo too.

EG: C0 is 16.35 hz

that equates to 981 Beats per minute (!)
so divide it by 8 to get something a little bit less frantic and you have

122.625 BPM

so if your song is in C, why not try 122.625 BPM and try and notice if it now sounds more coherent and celestially in-tune.
If it does, congratulations, because you are on your way to a full-on schizophrenic breakdown.

i loled

Alextronica · Post by **Alextronica** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:23 pm

Wow

how do you find you what hz a Tone is

C0 = 16.52 hz huh

I'd love to try this

Im into this kind of stuff

Ill try googling it but if you got any references I'd sure love 'em

Peace Alex

Comatoze · Post by **Comatoze** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:22 pm

lol, i remember doing something similar. I use to calculate LFO times in milliseconds so they'd be in sync. Then i realised (like delays) most plugins have to option to automatically sync LFOs.

Comatoze · Post by **Comatoze** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:26 pm

Oh yea check this out:

http://mp3.deepsound.net/eng/samples_calculs.php

And if you're going to do rhythmatic high frequency stuff you could do something with Beating maybe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_(acoustics)

Delay time Theory Does Anyone else think about this?

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