Emu Patchmix and Ableton

[amo1212000]

Hi there,

I have a Emu 1212m soundcard that is hooked up to a Fostex VC8 Adat/Analog converter, via adat. The problem I am initially having is that I am unable to 'assign' Ableton to the individual Adat channels that are available within the Emu Patchmix.

I really want to assign 4 groups to it's own adat channel in the patchmix. I believe this would be possible in Cubase as each channel would have it's own assignment parameters but I am finding it a pain the backside to do with Ableton.

Is this even possible?

Many thanks

[revA]

hi there

patchmix can be a bit tricky. you have to insert a "send" into the according adat channel in the patchmixer.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nncmw9z47ycam0/patchmix1.JPG

and a good read for patchmix users:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov05/a ... tchmix.htm

hth
revA

[amo1212000]

Thanks for getting back to me.

I have now activated all the output slots in the 'Output Config' section in Ableton, routed four groups in Ableton to the corresponding Wave strips in the PatchMix i.e. Group 1 audio to wave 1/2, Group 2 audio to wave 3/4, etc . I used the wave strips because I did not get anything through the ASIO strips for some reason.

At this point I get activity in the patchmix. I then setup a send within Wave 1/2 strip to Adat Out 1/2 and do the same for the other strips. But nothing is coming through Adat out.

I am not sure what to do at this point. I have read the soundonsound guide to this and it seems pretty straight forward but I am having trouble.

[massenmedium]

Make sure the Optical Output is set to ADAT/Coax S/PDIF ?

It's in the Session Settings / IO tab - button at the top to the right of FX.

Also you really should be using ASIO output strips - if Live is using ASIO I don't think it would be possible to send anything to the Wave outputs. ?

[amo1212000]

Right, I have figured out how to route to the ASIO rather than the Wave strips. I didn't use the EMU Asio, I was using the ASIO for all. I feel much better now that has been sorted out now.

But I have inserted sends to the corresponding adat outs and I am getting nothing through my VC-8. I think it could be the way I have set that up maybe?

So right now I have:

ASIO 1/2 sent to ADAT Out 1/2
ASIO 2/4 sent to ADAT Out 2/4
ASIO 5/6 sent to ADAT Out 5/6
ASIO 7/8 sent to ADAT Out 7/8

Also I have the session settings as:

Internal @ 44.1
PCI Card Optical Input and Output as ADAT

Surely I am missing something. Thanks for all the help so far.

[massenmedium]

Sounds OK.

So you've got tracks in Ableton that are sending stuff to those ASIO outputs, yes?

One thing to do if you haven't already is to drop Peak Meters on all the output strips so you can see if anything is actually going to those outputs.

[amo1212000]

Yep I have got ableton sending to the asio outputs fine now, and the peak meters are detecting the signals.

I think my problem now lies with the VC-8 adat/analog converter. I have it hooked up to my mixing desk and all I am hearing is a very high frequency.

I have attached a picture of my patchmix just to confirm I have it correctly setup.

[ChiefNugget]

Hey. Fellow 1212M PCI user here. I use mine with Behringer ADA8000. I think you're on the right track, but you look a little bit off of what I use for a similar setup. This would be my normal setup...

(ADAT Out) ASIO Out 1/2...7/8 PatchMix strips with peak meter in slot 1 and "SEND -> PCI Card ADAT 1/2...7/8 Out" in each ASIO Out channel strip in PatchMix. These show up as outputs #1-8 in Live. MUTE these PatchMix strips.

(1212M Analog Out) In the PatchMix "Outputs" window check that "MON" is routed to I/O Card Out 1/2 if you use the 1212M's analog outs for your main stereo outs. These show up as outputs #9/10 in Live. MUTE these PatchMix strips.

(ADAT In) PatchMix strips "PCI Card ADAT 1/2...7/8" are the ADAT inputs. You most likely want these to have peak meter in insert slot 1 and "SEND -> HOST ASIO IN 1/2...7/8" on insert slot 2. These will show up as inputs #1-8 in Live and allow for multi-track recording. MUTE these PatchMix strips.

(1212M Analog In) PatchMix strip "I/O Card In L/R" with peak meter on insert #1 and "SEND -> HOST ASIO IN 31/32". These appear as inputs #9/10 in Live. MUTE these PatchMix strips.

(Software Out) "ASIO Out 31/32" and "Wave 1/2" PatchMix strips with Peak Meter and no other inserts. These take the output from your software (Live, Windows, iTunes, etc) and route it into PatchMix. Do NOT MUTE these PatchMix strips.


Within Live, you can group your Live tracks into Drums, Synth, Bass, and Atmosphere track groups. The audio from each track will be routed to the group. Then, set the group audio outputs to External Out 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, and 7/8. This will give you the four stereo submixes coming out of your ADAT outs through the Fostex and into your mixer. I think that's what you're after, right? Be careful that you have not created a feedback loop if you are using your mixer as a pre-amp going into the 1212M analog inputs.

Hope this helps!

Darryl

[amo1212000]

Thank you very much for that run through Chief

I have got as far as setting up the ASIO sending to ADAT outputs, but I will set it up tonight after work and get back to you.

[amo1212000]

I've setup the patchmix the way you have said and still no joy.

I know it is the Fostex for sure now. But I don't have a clue as to what it could be. I'll do some research on it.

Cheers for all the help!

[ChiefNugget]

Happy to help. Hope you can get the hardware issue sorted. Just as another quick troubleshooting item, you might want to try a different ADAT cable. Doesn't sound like the problem to me though. Bad optical cables have resulted in simple intermittent drops of the audio for me in the past, not a high pitch noise.

[amo1212000]

Tried another optical cable and still producing the same problem.

I'm thinking that it's to do with synchronicity. The Fostex manual states that I could either use the internal clock or use the word clock. I'm using the internal clock because there is no word out for the 1212m.

I'm really not sure what it could be, as I am a complete newbie to going ADAT.

A question regarding the ADA8000 that you have, how do you use that? Is it exactly the same as the way I am trying to use my fostex?

i.e. ableton group channel/track > 1212m adat out to ada8000 adat in > ada8000 analog out to desk in > desk out to ada8000 analog in > ada8000 adat out to 1212m adat in > ableton

If this is the case do you use an internal clock to sync on the ADA8000 and it works off the bat?

[twisted-space]

Tried another optical cable and still producing the same problem.

I'm thinking that it's to do with synchronicity. The Fostex manual states that I could either use the internal clock or use the word clock. I'm using the internal clock because there is no word out for the 1212m.

I'm really not sure what it could be, as I am a complete newbie to going ADAT.

A question regarding the ADA8000 that you have, how do you use that? Is it exactly the same as the way I am trying to use my fostex?

i.e. ableton group channel/track > 1212m adat out to ada8000 adat in > ada8000 analog out to desk in > desk out to ada8000 analog in > ada8000 adat out to 1212m adat in > ableton

If this is the case do you use an internal clock to sync on the ADA8000 and it works off the bat?

On your VC8 set clock to optical, digital mode to ADAT and analog input mode to 1-8. Make sure you have your lightpipes connected the right way round so in to out, out to in.
I've got a VC8 and a 1616m, unless your VC8's faulty it should work perfectly.

[amo1212000]

Hi twisted, switched the clock to optical instead of internal. Already had the mode to ADAT and the analog input mode to 1-8, and the lightpipes from out to in and vise versa. Sadly, still no joy.

A question though, when you use your VC8 is your locked led green or orange?

[twisted-space]

A question though, when you use your VC8 is your locked led green or orange?

Its green when locked and off when not locked.

Have you got the manual?

http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs ... manual.pdf

from page 6



According to that, the only time the locked led is orange is if the clock switch is set to word.