Turntable style push and pull controls at last...

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:47 pm

On my lemur!

Set up an interface on my lemur which gives my a pitch fader, a fine pitch fader and two "push" and "pull" controls.

It makes mixing into decks dead easy!

My pitch fader has a range of 97 "MIDI points", fine pitch has 10 and my push and pull pads temporarily add 5 points whilst they're held down.

You just need to set min and max values (pref about 8 bpm apart) in the MIDImap mode of Ableton before mixing the tune.

Now as soon as the lemur chucks out 14bit MIDI or Ableton supports OSC then I won't even have to set min and max value in live as it will allow me to have a huge range at high resolution.

In the meantime though this is a great solution.

Max/MSP heads : This is the easiest thing in the world to program. You can set up a patch to do this with ANY MIDI controller

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:11 pm

yeah, doing it with modular software is reaaaally easy - and liberating!.

In the past I have even triggered envelopes with push/pull ("nudge"/"brake")-buttons for even more natural sounding tempo adjustments.

Now as soon as the lemur chucks out 14bit MIDI or Ableton supports OSC then I won't even have to set min and max value in live as it will allow me to have a huge range at high resolution.

Doesn't it provide pitch-bend info? That's 14bit, iirc? Also, can't you just do simple osc->midi conversion in max?

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:16 pm

Yep the lemur provides an ASDR envelope on the push and pull pads too.

Doh... of course I could do the OSC-MIDI converion in Max, good thinking. And yes, come to think of it, the lemur prob does do 14bit pitch bend. I am new to both Max and the lemur.

Cheers for the idea!

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:18 pm

No problem - put me in your will, eh?

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:20 pm

Machinate, can I pick your brains here for a sec (and I know I'm being a bit lazy here and should do the research myself):

If I need to scale the OSC mesage to 0-127 for MIDI, what's the range of values for 14 bit MIDI? Is it 0-16383 ?

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:28 pm

Wow!

Just had a little tweak, and now I can set a range of 60bpm to 200 bpm at super-high precision. Also, now that the range i fixed, I can plug an expression into the lemur which gives me an accurate bpm readout!

Cheers buddy.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:30 pm

Again, no problem, dude!
–8192 to +8191, by the way.

stallos · Post by **stallos** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:14 pm

On my lemur!

damn - you got me!

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:41 pm

Stallos:

It's v easy to write a little patch in pd or max/msp or something to let you do it with ANY controller tho.

JohnDP · Post by **JohnDP** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:24 pm

how can that be done then, if its soooooo easy and people are sooooo eager to have this Patch how come there isn't one yet?

Please give me a pull push function and I'll praise you everytime I touch my Ableton...

DJSK · Post by **DJSK** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:18 pm

Is it possible to do this with an Evolution UC-33e controller? Maybe by giving pitch bend assignments to the FastForward and Rewind Buttons or something? Bare with me guys I am new to midi and am only taking my first electronic music class in school right now. Any help would be appreciated though thanks.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:44 pm

JohnDP wrote:how can that be done then, if its soooooo easy and people are sooooo eager to have this Patch how come there isn't one yet?

Please give me a pull push function and I'll praise you everytime I touch my Ableton...

What kind of modular midi environment do you have? EnergyXT? Bidule, Reaktor? PD? Max/msp? SuperCollider? you'll need at least one to do it.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:45 pm

DJSK, see the message I just posted for John - you need special software.

DJSK · Post by **DJSK** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:56 pm

Can it be done with Enigma?

AlexG · Post by **AlexG** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:56 pm

PD is the way to go, it's great, and free too!

I used Plogue Bidule to set this up for Evolution UC33e last summer, its even easier in PD though.