Remote sl without automao

hrmnk · Post by **hrmnk** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:37 pm

Hi,
Like the title said, i want to use my remote sl controller without the automap function (in live situations)
I managed to link the knobs and faders to knobs and faders in live and vsts, but i dont get any visual feedback on the sl
How do i do this? or maybe this is not possible?
Thanks
Jan

hrmnk · Post by **hrmnk** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:22 pm

anyone?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:22 pm

set the REMOTE OUT for the device, just like you have REMOTE IN set now.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:23 pm

damn, I thought this thread was about communism.

Peza · Post by **Peza** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:27 pm

Damn funny Machinate!

musicmachine · Post by **musicmachine** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:37 pm

Have you set it up in prefs?

hrmnk · Post by **hrmnk** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:38 pm

Tone Deft wrote:set the REMOTE OUT for the device, just like you have REMOTE IN set now.

Do you mean in live's midi preferences?
i tried setting in& out to channel 1, 2 or 3, but none of them gets me visual feedback on the remote sl.
anyways, what tempate should i use for this? or should i create an empty one in the editor?
thanks

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:51 pm

yeah, Live's preferences.

it might be in the Global menu on the SL.

I'd start with a fresh template. dunno, I haven't been down this road for years.

hrmnk · Post by **hrmnk** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:15 pm

hm
now i managed to get some information on the screen, but it only says 'user1' 'user2' etc and values between 0-127.
I would like the sl to read out controller names and values, like automap does

is this possible if i want to do my mappings manually?

robbmasters · Post by **robbmasters** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:30 pm

I'm not sure if you can get Live to send that back to the SL. I name the knobs on my SL directly (i.e. fiddle with knob, hit "edit", press very top left "up" button, enter name) but you could do it in the editor too.

j_ursa · Post by **j_ursa** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:43 pm

W/newest drivers on my sl this is how I get it to work:

- turn on sl and ableton
- automap comes on automatically
- quit automap
- midi prefs in ableton: ch2 in and out for sl and none for 1 and 3 (in my setup at least)
- go to template 38 or 40 which is the ableton template (can't remember - I'm at work)
- go into play mode and it should work

Hope this helps.

I wish I could get the sl to work with traktor though - if someone is having success there and could answer a couple questions please pm me.

Looks like the automap etc is getting a new update in Feb too.

Cheers!

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:44 pm

Welcome to SL Hell.

I have bitched about this ever since I found out that the SL CANNOT receive midi feedback from the host without using the Automap feature.

Look for some of my earlier posts on this. I posted a reply from Novation that specifically states this. They've also modified some of their documentation to state this now as well.

It really, really, really sucks.

hrmnk · Post by **hrmnk** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:42 pm

hmm, that really sucks, indeed
so this means, the lcds are of no use when you dont use automap ( i mean, if you would write the control names above a know it would be the same)
I hope novation fixes this in the future

robbmasters · Post by **robbmasters** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:11 am

hrmnk wrote:so this means, the lcds are of no use when you dont use automap ( i mean, if you would write the control names above a know it would be the same)

Nah, it's not that bad. OK, so you have to program them in yourself. But you can have multiple "templates" that you switch between, and the LCDs will update when you do.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:14 am

Actually, yeah it is that bad. The LCD's do not update when you do not use Automap.

From Novation : "Thanks for the email. Automap was designed so that there are 2 way communications between the host and the SL. Therefore if you change a parameter on the SL, it communicates to the host and updates in Live, then feeds it back to the SL and updates in the SL. In your situation, when Automap is not used, there is only a one way communication between the host and SL, that is from the SL to the Live, therefore the SL will simply not respond to Live by design."