Anyone else getting p*ssed off having to beg for auths?

[Bagle]

abletons unlocking is so much easier then alot of companies and is the fucking business over iloks or other dongles which are a complete pain in the ass, specially if mobile recording on a laptop and limited to maybe 2 or 3 usb slots..

have you actually used dongles or are you just repeating shit you've heard from others ?


btw khazul, 'begging' is taking the piss. I had to make a few requests, wait 12 - 24 hours etc, but at no point did I have to nag let alone beg. Even with guys like audioease who I was lead to believe are authorisation nazis.

ya i have iloks for plugins, terrible lost 2 before, was a nightmare, and i actually use those plugins less then i normally would simple because it means i gotta go find and get my ilok, which moves from computer to computer or computer to laptop

[dum]

abletons unlocking is so much easier then alot of companies and is the fucking business over iloks or other dongles which are a complete pain in the ass, specially if mobile recording on a laptop and limited to maybe 2 or 3 usb slots..

have you actually used dongles or are you just repeating shit you've heard from others ?


btw khazul, 'begging' is taking the piss. I had to make a few requests, wait 12 - 24 hours etc, but at no point did I have to nag let alone beg. Even with guys like audioease who I was lead to believe are authorisation nazis.

ya i have iloks for plugins, terrible lost 2 before, was a nightmare, and i actually use those plugins less then i normally would simple because it means i gotta go find and get my ilok, which moves from computer to computer or computer to laptop

Horses for courses.
My biggest copy protection nightmare was with a PACE instance of challenge/response.
The worst thing IMO about PACE/Syncrosoft (or similar) protection is that if the drivers corrupt or something else along those lines you are not just locked out of one protected app, but EVERY protected app and subsequently EVERY project featuring ANY protected app. Major clusterfuck not if but WHEN things go wrong.

Anyway, it's strange that you're now criticising dongles for being mobile, which is precisely the appeal of them for swathes of users.

[sporkles]

I would hope that software requiring a dongle would allow you to use multiple dongles in case one fails.

I wouldn't think so, and it's certainly not the case with Propellerheads; you can only have one operational dongle at any
given time (at least that was my understanding, and now I really don't care any more; it's Reason 4 for me.)

As for those of you advocating keeping an image of your system HD; how does that help if you're upgrading your OS
(That's a genuine question, BTW, no rhetoric here.)

And one last thing: is the practice of actually reformatting and reinstalling one or more times a year widespread? I've
thought about it, but I just cannot be arsed reinstalling all my VST's and applications over and over. Is it worth the effort?

[dum]

I would hope that software requiring a dongle would allow you to use multiple dongles in case one fails.

I wouldn't think so, and it's certainly not the case with Propellerheads; you can only have one operational dongle at any
given time (at least that was my understanding, and now I really don't care any more; it's Reason 4 for me.)

As for those of you advocating keeping an image of your system HD; how does that help if you're upgrading your OS
(That's a genuine question, BTW, no rhetoric here.)

And one last thing: is the practice of actually reformatting and reinstalling one or more times a year widespread? I've
thought about it, but I just cannot be arsed reinstalling all my VST's and applications over and over. Is it worth the effort?

with iLok & syncrosoft you can transfer a license from dongle to dongle, but the license will only be on one dongle at a time. You can use multiple iloks/syncrosoft dongles at the same time - just not featuring the exact same license. So if you're dongle starts to fail, move the licenses to a new one before it dies. If you want to take advantage of the mobile aspect of dongles it would be prudent to [a] have a spare dongle or two so you can choose to only bring the licenses you need with you and take advantage of the insurance scheme offered by iLok or insure it independently if no such scheme is provided by the manufacturers.

If you're going to be moving around with several hundred euros worth of licenses stored on what looks like a flashdrive - the onus is pretty much on you to not be retarded in how you go about things.

[sparklepuff]

I lost an iLok. I think the only thing more catastrophic of a computer related issue would be to lose your hard drive with no backups. Trying to get new licenses from 24 companies who all tell you that the rules state I have to repurchase licenses for their $600 software was not pleasant.

[casiblake]

As for those of you advocating keeping an image of your system HD; how does that help if you're upgrading your OS

It helps when you make an image of the new OS (once you've installed, configured and unlocked all the software you require), and then require a restoration in the event of issues later on.

And what if the new OS has issues, and you decide to go back? Restoring the image of the old OS - with all software intact - is MUCH faster than re-installing.

Doesn't take much thinking, to be honest. Put the effort in, you'll be glad you did.

[Machinesworking]

but at no point did I have to nag let alone beg. Even with guys like audioease who I was lead to believe are authorisation nazis.

Love Audio Ease for their software, hate their one authorization challenge response policy. It's not even PACE here, Nomad Factory allow two authorizations, it's all Audio Ease. The logic board died on my laptop during the Christmas season, it took nearly two weeks to get my authorization back for Speakerphone. With Live PACE will lock you out of any song with Audio Ease plug ins in it, Live will crash when you try to load the song. This is not acceptable to me, and why I mention it any time I can. I did try talking to them about it, but no response to my emails after getting my authorization back. They simply decided that it's better to have challenge response customers screwed than to "risk" studios running two copies of Altiverb on two computers with one authorization; that was the reason given and they are fucked IMO for thinking like that. Just like Cycling is fucked for not allowing one to resell Max/MSP. Dongles wise, see sparklepuff's post above... I almost dropped a Logic XSkey (when Logic had a dongle) into the gutter when it fell off my keychain.... fuck dongles as well. Sure, you can insure them, couple that with upgrades and software becomes even more of a confidence scam. When companies stop treating paying customers like criminals, I'll stop doing what I can to paint them out as the goose stepping anal retentive brown shirts they are.

Again, I love their software, (cycling, audio ease, dongled stuff in general) but when I'm not getting the same ease of use as a guy who torrents a nice stable krack of the same software, then there's something horribly wrong going on.

[H20nly]

^ Amen (or something less spiritual and equal in the realm of full agreement) - Word

[Aldice]

Looks like he's off anyway. See http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145777

[Sibanger]

anyone else here think that the OP actually has Live installed on more computers than the license allows? my guess is that he may have bought two instances of Suite but has it installed on about 7 or 8 computers including those of his friends. there is no way that you would NEED to reinstall even twice in a year.

Reinstalls for whatever reason - Im tired of having to beg, doesnt matter how many times a year - I dont have enough auths for a system reinstall.

reinstalls for whatever reason??? i call BULLSHIT!!! having to beg??? more BULLSHIT!!!

the only reason to do a clean install now-a-days is to waste time during a creative slump. or if your demo installs of photoshop and illustrator ran out of time and your a cheap bastard that won't pay for the software you use.

love how OP has failed to respond to the last few posts, think he has realised he is a gowl

I think you are being too harsh.

Since the new authorisation process with Live, I have had to reauthorise Live several times, and only a couple of those
were clean reinstalls of operating system or change of hardware.

(Although, I have never had to beg for an unlock).

My system has been a bit unstable of late, and if it crashes with Live open, next time I open Live, I have to reauthorise. (bummer)

I am saving hard for a new system, but it takes time.

[nestrellejohn]

Chill guys, We can never solve any issue if you never calm down. Try to figure things in a light manner.