Workarounds for no Program Changes?

FrankH · Post by **FrankH** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:49 pm

jendask wrote:So I guess I am obliged to use a different for every program change right?

A different clip, yes.

jendask · Post by **jendask** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:12 pm

Thanks
Well I'd like to ask something more. Should I change the program from the vsti or from the clip notes tab, or is it the same?
In the second case how can I map the numbers to the program names?

jendask · Post by **jendask** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:46 am

A little more help please...

FrankH · Post by **FrankH** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:07 am

In my judgment a VSTI is an MIDI-instrument like all others, so you have to do program changes in the clips. Mapping names is not a feature within the Clip MIDI Editor.

On the other hand, in Live 6 you can use Instrument Racks, those are very powerfull!

jendask · Post by **jendask** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:38 pm

So, let's say a clip is already playing and I want to record a new clip with a different sound . I must record it in a new track so it can have a different sound (vsti program), right?
Also as far as I have understood, if I want to be able to choose programs by name (this is the only way I can recognize them!) I have to change from inside the vsti and not from the clip program change because there I can't see any names but just numbers...

FrankH · Post by **FrankH** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:45 pm

Hmmm, i'm not a heavy VSTi user so maybe someone has an answer?

jendask · Post by **jendask** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:45 pm

jendask wrote:So, let's say a clip is already playing and I want to record a new clip with a different sound . I must record it in a new track so it can have a different sound (vsti program), right?

Finally, I have created 15 different midi tracks. In the first five of them I have loaded B4 , in the five next Pro 53, and in the last five Mtron.
These tracks are not armed all the time because I have understood that this would be too heavy for my CPU (I have a Celeron 2,6, 512 RAM).
Also the devices(B4, Pro 53, Mtron) are not activated until I need to activate to record or playback. Does this also affect the CPU load?

FrankH · Post by **FrankH** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:53 pm

jendask wrote:
jendask wrote:So, let's say a clip is already playing and I want to record a new clip with a different sound . I must record it in a new track so it can have a different sound (vsti program), right?
Finally, I have created 15 different midi tracks. In the first five of them I have loaded B4 , in the five next Pro 53, and in the last five Mtron.
These tracks are not armed all the time because I have understood that this would be too heavy for my CPU (I have a Celeron 2,6, 512 RAM).
Also the devices(B4, Pro 53, Mtron) are not activated until I need to activate to record or playback. Does this also affect the CPU load?

Have you tried it yet?
If an instrument is not used it should / could have zero CPU load, but trying it is the only way to know if this is true for your plug-ins.
BTW. 512 MB is not very much for an audio computer.

bbtr · Post by **bbtr** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:51 am

hi!
Machinate says that all the program change messages for bank one are on the website of Covert Operators, however I browsed it thoroughly and could not find them.
Could anyone post the link here please? It will be much appreciated.

jendask · Post by **jendask** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:10 pm

I haven't found them either...

queglay · Post by **queglay** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:57 am

i had a look on there too. i would love to find them! all i could find was this article.

http://www.thecovertoperators.org/archives/163#more-163

this sounds exciting and may solve alot of my problems in live!

queglay · Post by **queglay** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:34 am

ive been playing with using chains and ranges to get around not being able to do program changes. its funny, because i thought the point of it was that it would disable everything in a chain if if wasn't selected for a range.

but i know that pretty much everything in the chain is actually active and using my cpu. so does anyone know why this is and is there another alternative?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:21 am

Those files were on our old server. I'll have a look. They're somewhere in my backups.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:23 am

http://covops.dreamhosters.com/dropbox/ ... Folder.zip

queglay · Post by **queglay** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:41 pm

so does anyone know why the chains and rack method is using up so much cpu? it definitely isn't turning of all the devices when the chain isn't selected.

Workarounds for no Program Changes?

i don't know

could be