Being a snitch

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Re: Being a snitch

Post by Machinesworking » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:15 am

stringtapper wrote: The logic is perfectly fine because I'm talking about the law in it's purest theoretical sense.
So not in practice then? It's like saying theoretically a benevolent dictatorship would be the best,but we all know how dictatorships have gone so far.
Also notice how your point that the "The law is ever shifting, and to constantly obey whatever is the law at the time is to have no free will at all IMO," is really a good argument against governance in the first place. IMO, having any law at all is inherently contrary to free will.
Can't disagree with that. Self governance is definitely key to a more utopian existence, but you get what I'm saying, that the law is not black and white, no matter howe many people think it is.
My point, again, is that those who would say that their crime doesn't matter are bound to have something they deem to be a crime happen to them. How will they feel when the perpetrator is as cavalier about their actions as they themselves have been? It's only to make people think about their actions and their attitudes, which I know is asking a lot of the general public.
Yeah I don't steal, not even from the government, but I have in the past when I was younger and ran pirated software, but I'm one of those people that truly was "trying before I buy". At this point stability is far more important than making sure a purchase is a good financial choice, but that's come at a price, some software I've bought never lived up to the promise, and lo and behold, the motherfuckers upgrade the shit and it's worthless to sell. Unlike hardware, 6 year old software is absolutely worthless, or dammed near.
There is some software that holds value, and there is hardware that loses mass value, but the archetype is solid: software loses value at such a fast rate that it's a freaking shame that not all of it has great demos like Live. I despise thieves, but snitches are just as bad, I agree with that, they're the other side of the same coin, the rabidly anti authority and the rabidly pro.
I don't have any problem with using [k] software to evaluate software without proper demos, but it bothers me when people don't buy it. It also bothers me when software companies don't allow transfers, or charge fees for it, or charge 1/2 of the original cost of the software for an upgrade etc.
It's why I don't own Max/MSP, you're not allowed to sell it. ( reports are that you will be able to resell M4L, which is another reason to get it ) It's why I would never buy Waves plug ins, and it's why I support companies that have good policies that way.

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Re: Being a snitch

Post by SubFunk » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:08 am

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Re: Being a snitch

Post by EddieJ » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:28 am

q.musgrove wrote:Burn the witch! Burn the witch!

C'mon guys. Don't be so sensitive. I actually bought mine so get off yer high horse there.

Everyone loses something they want in life! Does that make revenge admirable or something? Because you cry baby's are totally trying to hurt my feelings here because you ASSUME I have a cracked version of Live and you actually think that entitles you to be rude.

And what excatly do you lose (sans sleep obviously) when someone cracks any piece of software?
Higher volume often leads to lower prices per unit.

In other words, if Ableton sold more copies of Live, they could lower prices. Therefore, if everyone using Live paid for Live, then everyone using Live could pay less for Live.

What is lost for all legitimate users? Money.

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Re: Being a snitch

Post by abort » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:44 am

EddieJ wrote:Higher volume often leads to lower prices per unit.

In other words, if Ableton sold more copies of Live, they could lower prices. Therefore, if everyone using Live paid for Live, then everyone using Live could pay less for Live.

What is lost for all legitimate users? Money.
Is that really so true, as if companies were so honest. Mmmm Right! 'They' must price goods in accordance to competitors, since when do we get fair trade, since when de 'WE' get reduced rate, a say in vOluMEs only means 'good business'.

Its all just a big pumping machine dudes.

fuck the red tape!

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Re: Being a snitch

Post by 3osc » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:42 pm

stringtapper wrote: Whatever works for you. But for me, either all laws should be upheld or none should be upheld. (And I mean none, as in things like murder and cannibalism should be ok.)
So, one should uphold institutionalized forms of racism if they are comfortable with other, non-racist laws? Should member of the U.S. Civil Rights movement not have practiced civil disobedience unless they were absolutely against law in all its forms?

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Re: Being a snitch

Post by SubFunk » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:20 pm

EddieJ wrote:
q.musgrove wrote:Burn the witch! Burn the witch!

C'mon guys. Don't be so sensitive. I actually bought mine so get off yer high horse there.

Everyone loses something they want in life! Does that make revenge admirable or something? Because you cry baby's are totally trying to hurt my feelings here because you ASSUME I have a cracked version of Live and you actually think that entitles you to be rude.

And what excatly do you lose (sans sleep obviously) when someone cracks any piece of software?
Higher volume often leads to lower prices per unit.

In other words, if Ableton sold more copies of Live, they could lower prices. Therefore, if everyone using Live paid for Live, then everyone using Live could pay less for Live.

What is lost for all legitimate users? Money.
dreamer, they would get more greedy i reckon. besides they have a product that has a certain quality, selling quality cheap would be just plain stupid.
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Re: Being a snitch

Post by stringtapper » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:46 pm

q.musgrove wrote:I could say if you are subjected to bombardment of the mind (advertisements, religious freaks, ::cough:self righteous consumers of certain computer software:: of which most have an agenda about forcing something in your mind to change or conform in one way or another) without permission (for example, turning on the t.v. or coming into a forum) it could be seen as a direct infringement on ones free will.
I'm just a sociopath who has to keep myself in check to exist. Fortunately for other sociopaths like software pirates they have advocates like you. I'm just pointing that out.
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Re: Being a snitch

Post by stringtapper » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:51 pm

Awkwords wrote:
stringtapper wrote: Whatever works for you. But for me, either all laws should be upheld or none should be upheld. (And I mean none, as in things like murder and cannibalism should be ok.)
So, one should uphold institutionalized forms of racism if they are comfortable with other, non-racist laws? Should member of the U.S. Civil Rights movement not have practiced civil disobedience unless they were absolutely against law in all its forms?
I try not to live in the land of "should." What one thinks should be is not what another thinks should be. I'm a moral nihilist so I leave these things up to people who care.

Notice I never said "it's wrong to pirate." I only said that those who are so cavalier about piracy should think about what they could stand to lose should the same cavalier attitude accompany an action directed towards them that they don't like. It's really just to say, "don't cry like a bitch when someone takes your shit."
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Re: Being a snitch

Post by elxicano » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:00 pm

stringtapper wrote:
q.musgrove wrote:I could say if you are subjected to bombardment of the mind (advertisements, religious freaks, ::cough:self righteous consumers of certain computer software:: of which most have an agenda about forcing something in your mind to change or conform in one way or another) without permission (for example, turning on the t.v. or coming into a forum) it could be seen as a direct infringement on ones free will.
I'm just a sociopath who has to keep myself in check to exist. Fortunately for other sociopaths like software pirates they have advocates like you. I'm just pointing that out.

Don't worry... Mr. Musgrove has his pictures and his band name posted online for the world to see, while promoting his personal use of warez. Surely, not too well thought out.

Please, by all means... do tell more. I think I like where all this is going. :lol:

So, what else besides Ableton Live have you pirated?

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Re: Being a snitch

Post by senator adam » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:02 pm

Harry:
I've got to get the Snitch
I've got to get the Snitch
The game is called Quiditch and I've got to get the Snitch
Flying through the air on a broom
I try my very best to avoid my doom
And in the corner of my eye it will loom, the Snitch
I've got to get the Snitch!
I've got to get the Snitch!
I'm flying 'round the pitch and I've really got an itch
Draco Malfoy's very rich but his mother is a bitch

Draco:
Hey I'll knock you in a ditch and I'll beat ya 'til ya twitch!

Harry:
This will go without a hitch

Ron:
Sometimes I wish I were a witch!

Harry:
I've got to get the SNIIIIIIIIIIII--OOMPH!
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Re: Being a snitch

Post by SubFunk » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:19 pm

taking the risk of getting flamed to death...

there is one thing that strikes me (or maybe i should better say i realize) if you look around the discussions about warez... i always see 70% - 80% americans (and no i am not anti american in general, i am just very critical about america, i am actually very critical about everything, though) really, look just in those threads here on the forum... how many germans, french, polish, italian, etc. and yes all those are part of this forum as well are going nuts about warez???

in germany or england or slovakia... you can even ask people, anyone for a warez, they simply say no sorry or whatever, basically giving a shit!

any american i ever met and you will ask him, goes off and likes to run to the police and is right away judging you...

i am just curious, why is that ??? why ??? do we europeans have a different moral about warez or what is it?

i mean here i can even go to a company and talk normally about warez and no one will react aggressive or report you to the police...

what's up with that? i really like to know!

i mean go thru the thread again... any sort of aggressive reaction about warez is coming form the US members...

why?

please start a heated discussion now! (you should not have problems in the worst case you got all a gun shop around the corner and can shoot straight away if you hate me now, LOL)
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Re: Being a snitch

Post by q.musgrove » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:24 pm

Sorry dude, but I just don't see how being a pirate sympathizer makes me one. :? So I'll ask you nicely to stop encouraging people to "look me up" :roll: after giving them false information about my actions considering the topic at hand. please, with a cherry on... wipe your vagina.

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Re: Being a snitch

Post by SubFunk » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:24 pm

q.musgrove wrote:Sorry dude, but I just don't see how being a pirate sympathizer makes me one. :? So I'll ask you nicely to stop encouraging people to "look me up" :roll: after giving them false information about my actions considering the topic at hand. please, with a cherry on... wipe your vagina.
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Re: Being a snitch

Post by stringtapper » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:29 pm

SubFunk wrote:taking the risk of getting flamed to death...

there is one thing that strikes me (or maybe i should better say i realize) if you look around the discussions about warez... i always see 70-80 americans (and no i am not anti american in general, i am just very critical about america, i am actually very critical about everything, though) really, look just in those threads here on the forum... how many germans, french, polish, italian, etc. and yes all those are part of this forum as well are going nuts about warez???

in germany or england or slovakia... you can even ask people, anyone for a warez, they simply say no sorry or whatever, basically giving a shit!

any american i ever met and you will ask him, goes off and likes to run to the police and is right away judging you...

i am just curious, why is that ??? why ??? do we europeans have a different moral about warez or what is it?

i mean here i can even go to a company and talk normally about warez and no one will react aggressive or report you to the police...

what's up with that? i really like to know!

i mean go thru the thread again... any sort of aggressive reaction about warez is coming form the US members...

why?

please start a heated discussion now! (you should not have problems in the worst case you got all a gun shop around the corner and can shoot straight away if you hate me now, LOL)
I don't see where people are going "crazy" over it all. Like I said, I'm a moral nihilist, I don't really care one way or another. I only get annoyed at pussies who don't have the balls to commit a proper crime and then get on the internet to brag about it. Classic cases of little bitches who want "a little bit of anarchy."

I'm on the side of no laws at all. But that means I get to come take your shit and the only recourse you have is to stop me by force. Good luck.

(No need to go to the gun store. I'm all stocked up here.)
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Re: Being a snitch

Post by q.musgrove » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:30 pm

sorry, that was at the dude who keeps trying to tell everyone I'm using [K] software. However subfunk you make a good point there. Curious. I think it's because maybe some majority of Americans are sensationalist idiots who love nothing more than a good old fashioned black and white ENEMY... of any sort.

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